Paul Hellyer Earthshaking Confession 'Four Alien Races are Here on Earth'

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  1. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thing is, which you would know if you researched the man, he has been told some of what he says by people in the american gov't, military, that he got to know as defense minister of canada.

    So there is a good reason he believes as he does. That he trusts these sources, people you do not know, personally, is understandable.

    So easy to just call someone a nut, when you are not in the position he once was, and privy to knowing people you don't know well enough to have a conversation with.

    In regards to sightings, I have had one, a few years ago, and it was huge, low to the ground, and close to me. The size of a few football fields in size. I don't know what it was, so for me to say it was an ET craft would be an assumption. I don't know what the hell it was, or where it was from, or who built it. I just know I saw something that was not supposed to be there.

    More recently my family was sitting on the front porch last year, in the country, and we all saw a light in the east, at night, that I thought was Saturn, given it had a yellow tint to it, and larger than Venus. It remained where it was for at least 30 minutes and never moved. Then it began to move slowly to the north and was soon behind some trees and we lost sight of it. Your famous light in the sky. No flashing lights. So, an unidentified flying object.

    The first experience of the huge, close by object is the one that I still think about. Because of the size of it, how close it was, and because I did not react the way I always figured I would react if I ever saw one. I could have driven 1/8 a mile and been under it, to get a view from the bottom and yet I never did it. I still don't know what I didn't investigate it closer. I have always been as curious as a monkey and yet this behavior didn't express itself. I just sit there staring at it, until it moved south over a forest and went out of sight. No sound. And it moved very slow.

    I even went to the doctor to get checked out, for I thought something had happened in my brain, making me see something, and my reaction was also unusual as well. Got a clean bill of health.
     
  2. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you very much. This is what I hoped to be reading rather than some that insulted me or taunted me or demanded I produce this or that.

    You bring up the NWO. I see this in climate change issues. I have believed that we on earth will do just fine even with climate change and it is not the extreme danger told to us by particular politicians. Notice we do not see science pushing gloom and doom our way. It gets to us from politicians. You bring up interesting points.

    As to me, I do not claim there are space ships from space. I have my own pet theory that at earlier times, various races were deposited on Earth from other areas of space. But other than the races and their locations, I can't prove space travel.

    He cites others with books and reports. It is interesting enough to try to discuss.

    Thanks Pete.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Were those only HUMAN races "deposited on Earth from other areas of space"?
     
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  4. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some want me or others to prove this to them. One thing to keep in mind is that I do not claim to have seen UFO's nor inhabitants of any.

    I have read of Russian fighter planes and Chinese fighter planes. I have yet to see one. To tell them I do not believe in either due to no evidence, is to say to them they lied about Russian Fighter planes and Chinese fighter planes based on my not seeing any in person.

    We all know there are photos of UFOS. Same as with the fighter plane problem of China and Russia, we saw their photos too but are they actually from Russia or China? I am trying to paint a picture where we just love to doubt.

    Now I know when i was in the Army we had in my unit a nuclear weapon called the Davy Crockett. I have seen photos of one fireing and the missile explosion but personally did not see any fired. Does the photos prove they exist? On this I can testify that at the West Point Army Museum at the gate to the Campus is a Davy Crockett missile inside the building on display. A skeptic would chant at me that but did I watch it explode? Is this just my belief that the item the Army calls a Davy Crockett is a true nuclear bomb? Well, if we trust the Army films, we know it was a nuclear device but for the public display, best to show the shell of the missile.

    I was hoping for witnesses to chat this up. As you point out, a lot of pilots, and i am one of them, have seen UFOS. As a pilot I never did, but airline and military pilots do say they saw one or more.
     
  5. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can't prove space travel from other regions to Earth. It is a pet hypothesis of mine and not a theory to be more accurate.
     
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  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I used to hear about UFOS from around 1950 or in that area of dates. Recently they are discussed from time to time but it seems the media does not discuss this much today. But once it was a subject of hot discussion.
     
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    I am not asking you to prove space travel at all.

    Based upon the ASSUMPTION that aliens are capable of space travel did they ONLY deposit HUMAN races here on Earth according to your pet hypothesis?
     
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  8. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you check the title of the video? If I recall, I copied it's title.
     
  9. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is as far as I have taken my hypothesis. I stuck to races.

    To explain this, we have fossil evidence that vastly predates humans.
     
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    I have seen and read a lot of material by Dr. Steven Greer who is involved in something called the Disclosure Project. There is a video of a conference he held in Washington DC back in 2001 in which several high ranking US military personnel and government scientists stood before an audience that included several congressmen and Senators and stated unequivocally that they had real encounters with alien craft and aliens. They seemed to be quite credible in my opinion.

    I live up in the high desert here north of Los Angeles close to Edwards AFB and Lockheed Skunkworks, Northrop Grumman and other top secret defense plants and know several people who have worked there. There have been several sightings of strange looking aircraft here and I have seen a few from afar. I told a very close friend of mine who is now retired from Skunkworks about this disclosure project and the sightings of these strange craft here in my neighborhood and mentioned that I had read that they were reverse engineering captured or crashed alien craft up there. He did not deny it but said he was not at liberty to discuss it because it would violate a contract he had to sign before getting the clearance to get into secure areas of the plant in Palmdale Ca. There really does seem to be some validity to these claims in my opinion. Thanks.
     
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    In science a hypothesis is tested to see if there is any evidence that will falsify it.

    Since you limited your hypothesis to only human races the fact that humans have common DNA with other species and even plants on this planet means that humanity originates from the gene pool here on Earth.

    If you amend your hypothesis to include ALL LIFE on this planet originating from space, as opposed to originating here, then it has yet to be falsified since the origin of life on this planet has not yet been conclusively determined as yet.
     
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    He's likely senile.
     
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  13. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The weather balloon explanation is frequently offered.

    But first the size of them. They range from 3 ft to 16 feet in diameter when released. As they rise they expand. Question then is did you verify a weather balloon was in your area at that time?

    How good is your eyesight since even though they expand a lot as the rise, they normally stop rising at 24 miles up and i would challenge anybody to see such a distant and small object that high. I am a pilot and have plenty of flying time. I realize how hard it is for pilots to see even airplanes. Ask any pilot or flight controller and they will tell you that even in towers, they are known to miss airplanes. Even shining from sun shine, just to locate one and observe it is a challenge.

    I have yet to see a weather balloon and how much fun might I have using my lack of seeing any as proof they do not exist?

    Most who have never seen a UFO and this also means myself, might challenge any reported sighting since we never saw it when the other person or persons say they did.

    Then there is the problem of sightings in groups. Can an entire group be fooled?

    I don't believe the challenge is to science, but to those saying they saw this.
     
  14. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I limited it to humans for the simple reason that i was not wondering if plants and other life also came from space.

    I don't mind amending it to your suggestion.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you listen to him? I have yet to see a senile person that articulate.
     
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    The sighting occurred when I was on the shaded side of a mountain looking out onto a valley that was in direct sunlight. Since I was in a vehicle at the time I lost sight of it when I went around a corner and by the time I could look out over the valley again it was gone.

    There was an Air Force base in the general area below where I saw the UFO. The object appeared to be silvery in color and roundish in shape so putting two and two together the logical explanation was a weather balloon released from the AFB.

    FTR I had had my eyesight recently tested in order to obtain a competition licence.
     
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  17. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have myself piloted over that area. I never saw any but why would I since my time spent in that area was passing through to other places. It seems it takes truely more who are knowledgeable, such as you to bring this out.

    Thanks for your contribution. I have passed through your area a good many times. I once had a sister that lived at Barstow and of course that is in the area of Edwards AFB.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If they launched such balloons from that AFB, it makes sense it would be one. What competition license are you speaking of?
     
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    Hey come on! The existence of alien races would explain why some individuals are orange:p
     
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    I'm aware of that. My question is did you just copy it blindly or did you watch the video to confirm it actually contained what the title claimed? Couldn't you give some kind of detail or overview rather than expecting us all to blindly watch a 40 minute talk that might not even include what it claims to.

    He could break in to Rick Astley for all we know. :cool:
     
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    Motorcycle racing licence.
     
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    Yup!

    It would also explain why they lack any shred of human compassion too! ;)
     
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    Look up Steven Greer and check out his Disclosure Project. Interesting stuff. It is really nice to be in agreement with you on a subject. Cheers and Happy 80th in advance.
     
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    Uncle Ferd thinks aliens come here...

    ... `cause the womens...

    ... are so spankable.
     
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    Wrong.Those who make extraordinary claims without a shred of evidence have minimized themselves. They are the ones who out themselves on ain a shelf with people who claim their houseplants talk, people who claim to have ESP, etc
    Wrong again. I specifically offered several more simple explanations for his extraordinary claims, which are especially relevant, given that he has not a single shred of evidence. Stop trying to provide cover for him and anyone else making extraordinary claims without evidence by characterizing me. If I had never been jorn, they would still ne making extraordinary claims without a shred of evidence, so complain to them the next time you feel like complaining that their claims are not seriously considered or accepted on the basis of their own insistence.
    Correct, it does not. The same would go for a botanists claiming ue had a conversation with a dandelion. I don't give a **** if he is a bitanist or a lion tamer...that is an extraordinary claim that doesn't just require a bit of evidence, bit an extraordinary amount of evidence,
    Okay, but that is a very extraordinary claim. Why should I believe it?
     

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