Pelosi: Impeachment? "He's just not worth it"

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  1. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Donor

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    Pelosi and some others know what you are talking about but they can't reign in everyone.

    If you left it to them then sure, it might just work but there is a movement of hate afoot that they cannot tamper no matter how hard they try.

    The liberals have bloodlust going on right now.
     
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    Trump was dealt a major blow today by -- wait for it -- Republicans, his own party. The House voted today to allow the "witch hunt," the "Mueller hoax," to be seen by every American.

    The House of Representatives on Thursday passed a resolution calling for special counsel Robert Mueller's report to be released to the public once it is completed. The vote was 420 to zero! Every Republican in the House voted to have the report by Trump's nemesis to be made public.

    The House, as compared to the Senate, is regarded as the closest to the people because the entire House is up for election every two years. The people have spoken. They want to see the Mueller report. No doubt this will have an immediate and powerful impact on William Barr, the new A.G.

    Trump suffered another powerful setback today. The Republican controlled Senate rejected President Trump's declaration of a national emergency at the southwest border on Thursday, setting up a veto fight and dealing him a conspicuous rebuke as he tested how boldly he could ignore Congress in pursuit of his highest-profile goal.

    The vote was 59 to 41 as twelve Republicans joined Democrats in defying Trump in a showdown many GOP Senators had hoped to avoid.

    In a measure of how remarkable the confrontation was, Thursday was the first time Congress has voted to block a Presidential emergency since the National Emergency Act became law in 1976.

    There have been a lot of firsts in the Trump Presidency. Nearly all, like these two, are notably unremarkable.
     
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    Twelve Republicans sided with the Democrats. For Trump, that's embarrassing.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Donor

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    That was a new development after I made that post.

    But it's really not embarrassing because those others changed their minds at the last minute because they are facing tough re-election battles and did not want this being an issue.

    Had nothing to do with Trump whatsoever, it's about their winning another term.

    There still aren't enough to overturn Trumps veto however.
     
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    Really?

    You're suggesting it would be LESS "embarrassing" if they were free to ignore their constituents?
     
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    The only reason she said that is because she has reason's to believe there isn't enough evidence to get it through the Senate. The House would vote for it if he threw a candy wrapper on the ground. I don't agree with you Sandy that the Senate goes along with most of what Trump does. They are nothing like the Democrats that are afraid to break ranks against the Party.
     
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    Has nothing to do with constituents it has to do with their challengers bringing it up.

    It takes that issue off the table during the campaign.

    Polling wise this isn't a hot button issue with voters so no reason for them to stick their necks out for it.
     
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    The good news is, this is extremely embarrassing for Trump. His party controls the Senate, and the Senate rejected his declaration.

    The bad news is, Trump is going to use his first veto to block the bill, and there are not enough Republican votes to override the veto. Trump will be free to continue his assault on our Constitution, specifically the power of the purse as is vested in Congress as laid down in the Article I, Section 9, Clause 7 (the Appropriations Clause) and Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 (the Taxing and Spending Clause).

    In other words, Trump Republicans in Congress are so toady as to agree with Trump to weaken the powers of Congress. .

    In a note of pure irony, Sen. Thom Tillis, R-N.C first said he would vote for the resolution rejecting Trump's declaration. Then he changed his mind and voted against it. The reason: He cited talks with the White House that suggested Trump could be open to restricting Presidential emergency powers in the future. Put another way, our esteemed President is open to reducing the powers of his own office.

    Is this Fantasyland? Maybe we are living through Alice's adventures in Wonderland?

    It sure seems like it sometimes. Republicans in Congress wish to weaken the powers of Congress. A President who is open to weakening the powers of the Presidency. This is surreal.

    https://q13fox.com/2019/03/14/senat...erturn-trumps-national-emergency-declaration/
     
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    Do ya think you're gonna make it Sandy? What if Trump plays the veto card? Will that spawn another ten or so hate threads?
     
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    Now you got it. Pelosi is concerned there is not enough evidence for the Trump Republicans to convict Trump. Without a conviction what is the point? An impeachment could backfire on Democrats.

    Just as it did with Republicans in 1998 when the Gingrich-led House impeached Clinton.

    Trump is going to use his first veto to block the bill, and there are not enough Republican votes to override the veto. Trump will be free to continue his assault on our Constitution, specifically the power of the purse as is vested in Congress as laid down in the Article I, Section 9, Clause 7 (the Appropriations Clause) and Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 (the Taxing and Spending Clause).

    In other words, Trump Republicans in Congress are so toady as to agree with Trump to weaken the powers of Congress. .

    Are you saying they will override Trump's veto and keep the power of the purse? That's not going to happen.
     
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    No, no, no.

    They are saying that their constituents are opposed to Trump, and since they have to be sensitive to their constituents, they have to oppose Trump.
     
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    “There was no collusion. It’s a collusion hoax. It’s a collusion witch hunt. I don’t collude with Russia.” Trump has said over 200 times.

    In a series of tweets today, Trump said the special counsel “should never have been appointed and there should be no Mueller Report.” He also claimed Mueller’s investigation was “an illegal & conflicted investigation in search of a crime.”

    Anyone see a conflict here?

    For two years there has been a widespread allegation consuming four Congressional investigations, and one investigation by a special prosecutor, that Trump collaborated with the Russians. In the first quote, said many times by Trump, he insists that he is innocent of the charge. If that is true, he should welcome the Mueller report. Instead, he says, "there should be no Mueller Report."

    It doesn't take a genius or a Clarence Darrow to figure out Trump is hiding something.

    Trump is begging to be impeached. Unfortunately, according to our Constitution, self-incrimination, stupidity, and incompetence are not listed as grounds for impeachment.
     

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