Perry Fights Letting Gays in Boy Scouts

Please go back and read through the thread. It's obvious at this point that you're not here for a discussion, but just want to fight instead. Please go educate yourself with an open mind.

Here's a thought- instead of trying to look for things to make gay people look like big, evil scary monsters- why don't you get to know a few. If you aren't willing to do that, I can only assume that you are not searching for the truth, but searching for evidence of what you want the truth to be.

 

On the contrary, I've been discussing mental issues, glaring and obvious ones, that gays have. Big? No. Scary? No. Evil? No. Monsters? No. Just needing therapy and not needing promotion as "normal".

 

You've discussed mental issue that some gay people have, certainly not most or all, as has been pointed out to you, but you've chosen to ignore.

One more time- it's clear to me that you are more interested in what you want to believe is true, rather than what actually is true.

 

The CDC did a survey of 3,000 gay men. That's a large survey if you've ever done one before. When the results were in they found E-P-I-D-E-M-I-C levels of depression, drug abuse, spousal abuse and childhood sexual abuse that the CDC then labelled as intertwined so much so that addressing one of them meant addressing all the others too.

Now then, why do you suppose the CDC chose the word "epidemic" to describe the mental issues gay men have? Because only once in awhile they found one with mental issue? Sometimes? Occasionally? Semi-frequently? Regularly? .....or is is that they found it almost every single time?

Look up the word "epidemic" in the dictionary.

 

One more time before I put you on ignore- these issues have all been addressed by multiple posters in this thread. Rather than discuss these issues and their causes, you've decided to blame it all on people being gay and that it is the root cause for all of these other issues, which is simply not the case. Since you have made up your mind and will not discuss this issue honestly, I see no reason to have any further interaction with you.

 

Thanks for the compliments, and for admitting you have no substantive rebuttal. Take note readers, leekohler has put me on ignore...lol..

And thanks for that also.

A survey of 3,000 gay men that turns up "pervasive" "epidemics" of depression, drug abuse, partner abuse and childhood sexual abuse and you call anyone who deduces that being gay means mental issue a "bigot". I guess when I took elementary school addition to find that 2 + 2 = 4, I was 'bigot" for getting that equation right?...lol..

 

Vote for Perry, since he's pandering to ya'll's hate.

But then, governor good hair is a Texas governor, so not much actual control other than a beauty contest come election day. Texas is kinda funny that way, and early on were suspicious of too much power in a governor. So they're sorta moot and don't actually run much of anything. The Lege is what in charge, especially the speaker. Hell; even the Lt. Gov has more authority. It's kinda odd, but oddity is as texas as sweet tea and BBQ. So no prob, but perhaps something to keep in mind when voting for a president. NO TEXAS GOVERNORS, since they're nincumpoops. Truly. As daft as Dubya seemed, he's a friggin genius compared to Perry.

 

You're off ignore for only one reason- kids who read this website need to know that you are wrong. Here's what you left out of your little report:

http://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/substance-abuse.htm

A lot of these problems are due to people like yourself. In other words, we're quite healthy until people like you persecute us as kids.

And you know what? I was wrong. You're off ignore. People who are scared and alone need to know that people like us will not put up with your crap. Bring it, (*)(*)(*)(*)(*). I'll (*)(*)(*)(*) you up.

 

Right!! Amen!!

I stick around, because I just want people to know that things can at least be questioned (and usually should be).

 

I think you do need to be somewhat careful about people who suddenly recover a memory about anything. You can plant false memories of abuse. It does happen if you go to a therapist who wants to find repressed memories.

http://www.fmsfonline.org/fmsffaq.html

I can't know what happened to other people, but I think before we start broadcasting memories, you should be careful to be sure that the memories are of actual events.

 

And how does that explain the older abuse and reports of it?

Even still..

[Back when] "Johnny, are you sure Mr. Sandusky did these things to you? He could get in a LOT of trouble you know!"

"..um...um...no...I made them up because I was mad at him.."

[enter the fabricated-abuse myth]

Children may fear repurcussions from the abuser himself for reporting. Often the abuser will threaten the child with harm, or his family with harm, or himself to commit suicide if the abuse is reported. The child may feel ashamed that his abuser will 'tell on him" for liking the abuse and coming back for more. The child may feel loyal to the abuser. Often they are loved ones who the child still loves and protects. Or the child may be so traumatized by the betrayal and pain that he disassociates himself from the abuse; pretending it never happened. This can lead to the child compartmentalizing different facets of his personality where one does not know what the other has experienced until a "trigger event".

Pedophiles and their apologists often offer up "made up reports" as if they are common. They aren't. Not by a long shot. More common than anything are the "made up reports" that actually aren't, but the child and his circle sticks to the "made up" part of the accounts because they are all in agreement to protect the abuser from prosecution. Maybe once in a blue moon a child would make up a story that might shine a light of shame on himself and put someone in prison for a decade just to get attention...

 

Who here is apologizing for child sex abuse? Who?

 

Great question.

 

OK Oh strawman stuffer. I get what you do. You wait until the page turns over and then act like anyone who makes a point against gay [fill in the blank] is high as a kite and off on some tangent that you have a superior angle on.

But it's not going to work.

The poster last page put out that sudden recall in molestation victims can just as well be fabricated. I countered with insights from a PhD that tell of how many reasons a child might have for telling of the abuse and then recanting later...giving "credence" to the fabrication myth. You have to wonder, again, how many young children would put a person in prison and shine the light of shame on their own lives all just to get attention. My theory is "not many at all", "if any at all".. It certainly wouldn't be enough to create a phenomenon.

A child tells what's happening. The child realizes the repurcussions of telling the truth after-the-fact and then recants to save themselves or a loved one from pain and suffering. Pretty simple stuff.

 

Well said. The younger generations and future generations are overall more accepting of homosexuality, and the Boy Scouts should be guiding these generations to continue to grow in their acceptance. To not do so is becoming increasingly a thing of the past. Homosexuals are not being accepted on a "whim of popular culture." They are fellow human beings who we should help work towards equal rights. Governor Perry thinks this is a passing cultural influence, and therefore wishes the Boy Scouts to remain traditional and conservative. What is to stop similarly minded people from remaining staunchly against gay rights, especially in traditional private organizations such as the Boy Scouts? If they continue to think of this as a passing cultural notion, then very little progress will continue to be made.

 

Actually I know quite a few younger people and most of their attitude about the big gay fad is that it is becoming passe'. You know how young people hate to have older people's culture shoved down their throats..

 

Being gay is not a "fad" or something you "get over". It's a state of being. That doesn't go away.

And we aren't going anywhere, no matter how much you wish we would.

 

No, of course you're not going anywhere. That's not the purpose of all this. The purpose of all this is to minimize the normalizing of what you do and thereby teaching it to new generations of young kids as "normal". There will always be a place for aberrations and they have a lesson to teach. That lesson however is not, "aberration is normal'. You don't combine oxymorons.

 

The "pretty simple stuff" is that you are repeatedly conflating gay people with child molesters. Knock it off, and maybe we'll have a conversation.

 

I wish I could but the Mayo Clinic and the CDC keep nudging me to consider a pattern I see emerging. It's not my fault the lines between gay and pedophile are blurring. You can thank your iconizing and defending of Harvey Milk for that one...and this....

Gays themselves use the words "pedophile" and "gay" interchangeably in this well known syndrome with gay priests having been molested to become gay and then go on to molest in a constant feeding cycle. If you don't want the lines between "gay" and "pedophile" to be blurred, the very first thing on your to-do list should be to stop using the words interchangeably yourselves when referring to gay priests and also remove a man as your "sexuality civil rights icon" who "always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse problems"...

 

Blah, blah, blah, horse(*)(*)(*)(*), horse(*)(*)(*)(*), horse(*)(*)(*)(*). On and on and on. Seriously, this is getting old with you. NO ONE HERE is advocating pedophilia. NO ONE.

Let's see one more time.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

I'm sure this will have to be posted over and over. You won't get it, but other people out there will. Let me make this perfectly clear, I don't stick around arguing with you because I think I'll change your mind. I do it for the people who are too scared to post here, and are afraid to stand up to people like you and your BS. I'm not going to let other people like me feel they have no allies because you're a bigot. Not gonna happen.

Like I sad before, I have plenty of people on my side. So bring it. Because we are not afraid of you anymore.

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Yep!! That's why I respond to certain types of ignorant and hateful posts; just to show others that they don't have to believe or put up with dehumanizing anti-gay bigotry or homophobia.

 

That's not an answer. Are the priests gay or are they pedophiles? Which one? Is having sex with a minor or other teen on drugs as you age into your 40s gay or pedophile?

 

The priests are pedophiles. And yes, that was an answer. Your Harvey Milk obsession has been answered several times, I'm not going into that again.

 

The priests are pedophiles. And yes, that was an answer. Your Harvey Milk obsession has been answered several times, I'm not going into that again.

I'll post the link again with a quote:

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

Shall I continue?