Peter Dutton, white farmers yes, war refugees no....

Bower just likes straight facts

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/the...ntrol-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world-79490

 

So what makes you such a *******n expert on Australia, read a few pro-gun threads on PF?
YouTube maybe, or are you just regurgitating the erroneous propaganda of the NRA.

I can understand the Congress siding with the NRA, got to keep the donors happy, but what makes thinking people stop thinking and start parroting, it's got me.

 

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/03/15/09/53/qld-town-wants-asylum-seekers-back-homea

 

Thanks for that link. I watched the BBC video that followed it regarding white poverty in South Africa. From what I have gathered there was no white poverty under apartheid because everyone who was white was guaranteed a job regardless of how unqualified they might be. This meant that more blacks were living in poverty than was necessary because they were better qualified than some of those whites who had jobs that they were unqualified to hold.

Here in America we have both black and white poverty. What I think is happening in South Africa is the same thing. The poverty level amongst white South Africans is probably lower than it is for blacks but I have not yet found any statistics to base that upon. If I can it will be worthwhile to compare them to other nations.

 

I just decided to chime in on australian politics like bowerbird butts in usa politics . Are you saying its none of my businesd ?

 

Of course not, you are welcome to join in.

 

No definitely not, it's a free country, I actually value all contributions, they either reinforce my beliefs , reinforce my beliefs of others, sometimes make me reevaluate my stance, sometimes just amuse the heck out of me.

 

Tell us a little about yourself, your stance on things and the rational behind it?

 

That is a very sad story about the Tamil family.

 

It is, typical though.

 

Mr Potato Head, not my hero.

 

I bet white S. Africans are REALLY GLAD they let the white liberals of the world talk them into giving blacks equality. Got themselves slaughtered out of it.

 

Too bad you cannot provide a single shred of credible evidence to support that bogus allegation,

Given the example of what happened in Zimbabwe the whites would most definitely been slaughtered given that they were heavily outnumbered.

Instead they ended up with Mandala and Tutu giving them a path to reconciliation and a future where all South Africans are equal under their Constitution.

 

Nope, they saved themselves from getting slaughtered. Contrary to the propaganda being pushed by some Afrikaners & their alt-right/white supremacist friends all over the world, whites are not being 'slaughtered'. In fact, evidence suggests that whites account for only about 2% of murder victims despite being about 8% of the population.

https://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/

There is also no evidence of any great jump in murders of farmers:

https://africacheck.org/factsheets/factsheet-statistics-farm-attacks-murders-sa/

On average whites earn 5 times more than black in Sth Africa:

https://businesstech.co.za/news/wea...es-more-than-blacks-in-south-africa-stats-sa/

White life expectancy is also considerably higher than life expectancy for other races.

There is no doubt Sth Africa has had some serious problems since the end of Apartheid and the quality of government has been very poor at times, but whites are still doing a lot better than everyone else and they are not being 'slaughtered'.

 

When do you decide it is too dangerous? After the fact? You are waiting for the evidence, but the evidence you are waiting for is terminal for somebody.

Not an easy situation. A deteriorating government, and an increasingly hostile majority population calling for retribution. Everything Mandela was fearful of.

 

They (Afrikaans) did spend a lot of time making their beds. I'm not excusing what's happening but you have to admit it's roundabouts.
Like all of us, much wrong was done really for greed of money and power, and with little to no acknowledgment things fester.

Racism is the most disgusting of human traits, if we truly do not recognise that we are all in the same basket, we will never solve any issues.

Of course some think they have the answer ... streets flowing with blood.

 

Well said.
The real problem is that people are either for, or against (racism).
P.Dutton made his opinion and stand clear, and many of his party and the Nationals are of the same.
I often think how can we progress as human beings? I have no real answer I have to admit....
We have to battle the unknown, have to try to avoid our greedy thoughts, and our lust for power and control.
Reg.

 

He has been raving on with the usual racist propaganda to defend an indefensible position.

"The whites are farmers, they will probably move to the rural areas and commence farming, they are enterprising etc"

Well from what I have seen our farmers, those that haven't gone totally belly up are having problems making ends meet as it is.

A racist statement is not really one that mentions race, but one that belittles a race. Just about everything he (Dutton) has said is belittling the blacks or other races that seek asylum here. Just saying they will integrate better, are more enterprising etc is racist.

Generalisations that make it appear better for Australia are nothing but racism.

Mr Dutton, we do not take in refugees because it is better for Australia, we take them in to remove them from risk, we do it because we are civilised and it's the RIGHT thing to do.

 

Having read the account of Bishop Tutu's Truth and Reconciliation Commission it was truly an astounding achievement IMO. He brought together the white racists and the african freedom fighters that had been killing each other into the same room and got them to confess to their crimes against each other. It was a method of lancing the festering hatred of both sides and exposing that neither side was right in the atrocities that they committed.

It effectively gave all South Africans a fresh start by putting the racial animosity in the past and allowing them to work towards a new future together. Imagine if something like that was tried in Israel? The world could be a far better place with more people Desmond Tutu IMO.

 

White South Africans are some of the loveliest people you could meet. Unfortunately it is a reaping and sowing situation. You can’t complain about rejection, inequality and justice when a system you happily supported for several decades did just that but with the shoe on the other foot. Only South Africans who acknowledge this truth should be allowed to enter, those that don’t shouldn’t be provided the opportunity. We certainly do not want attitudes like this infecting our society. We aren’t perfect but bloody hell, we weren’t as blatantly rude! Okay, I take that back, but we certainly made headway to make amends of sorts!

 

So any group that thinks it might be in danger gets the inside track to refugee status? There are tens of millions of people who can't return to their homes and many ties more who are in vastly greater danger than white Sth African farmers.

What about the 700,000 Rohingyas whose nation won't even acknowledge that they exist?

What about the millions of people in eastern Zaire who live under constant threat from militias & governments alike? - the highest incidence of rape n the world.

How about Northern Nigeria, where Boko Haram is on the rampage?

Libya, Syria, Iraq, North Korea, Afghanistan, the Caucases, the southern Philippines, Eritrea, South Sudan, Venezuela & a dozen more besides.

All places where the threat isn't potential but actual. All places where people live under greater repression & threat than Sth African farmers. I say that if they do start getting thrown off their land we put them in the 'queue'. Remember the queue that we get told about? The one people on boats are jumping? We put them in that. They wait their turn like everyone else.

Any reason why we shouldn't do that?

 

I'm not a huge fan of 'they made their bed'. The world is full of 'bed makers', and the argument can be made for a lot of groups (and has been). If they are under threat they get the same treatment as everyone else.

 

If they didn't breed so much they wouldn't be facing such a grim future, nor so many of them to face it? Whenever Muslims are mentioned in any family context, the female is always 'pregnant' and their average number of children is 7. I suspect that Myanmar took on this stance because the indigenous culture was becoming, or has already become, subverted.

 

Don’t disagree one bit.

Dutton and the ultra right need more like minded voters

 

Dutton would always offer white supremacist BLOTUS supporters "special attention" after Mueller brings down his regime. He might have to offer "special attention" for all their guns too.