Phoenix police kill ex-NFL player Ekom Udofia, bodycam footage shows

They were committing other crimes at vastly disproportionate rate. Siding with USA during Cold War.

At age 11-13, I was of much higher opinion of USA then I am now. I was never at any risk of repercussion.

 

Actually, blacks do no commit crimes at a vastly disproportionate rate. They just commit different crimes. Blacks seem to like homicide and commit more homicides than whites. More, not more proportionally.
Whites seem to like crimes involving alcohol. DWI, Disorderly Conduct, drug abuse, and other liquor laws. Whites get messed up and are big on non-violent crime like embezzlement and fraud.
Overall, whites out-crime blacks by 263%. That being said, whites do have a lot more people by 569%
https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

 

More stats:
In 2020, there have been 457 whites killed by police and 223 blacks killed by police.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
Last year there were 25 white and 14 black unarmed citizens killed by the over 700,000 police
Meanwhile, there were 77 police killed.

So, more whites are killed either armed or unarmed.
Blacks are killed at a higher rate for their population.
Police are killed at a much, much, much higher rate for their population.

None of this has a hill of beans to do with Jews in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s

Those are the facts. Everything else is just debate. When it comes down to it, people just want an explanation for why. I have my theories but they aren't all tied up with a bow like "racism". Cultures and societal norms are more complex than that.

 

It's exceptionally relevant.

Of course you can. Cops don't run the psychiatric ward either. They are used to deal with people who without any mental refrain can lash out full force in bone breaking ways with their bare hands.

 

You have to make a "slight" adjustment.
Just because more black people are arrested and tossed in jail for certain crimes, doesn't mean that black community is more criminal. For instance, white people commit equal to slightly more drug related crimes.... yet the government arrests black people over this far more these offense than white people. And ones in court, they are found guilty in a way that they need to go to jail far more often as well. And ones in jail, they don't get parole as easy as white people. That's how institutionalized racism works in the US.

So when you only eyeball who got convicted, that's not an accurate number what ethnicity makes more crimes. There simply is no link.

 

You can blame the government that cops showed up instead of care workers dealing this without a deadly outcome.
Hence defund the police a bit to invest in other people who solve these problems.

 

Fact remains the police officers shouldn't have been there, because they can't give the care he needed and saving his life.

No. Cops do not run psychiatric hospitals. Cops are not trained for it. Hence you need to defund the police and relocate funds into those professionals. And yes, you can make an argument for defunding/relocating funds. It has to do that cops are used to deal with such things a heck of a lot. If they no longer have to means that you do not longer need that many cops to achieve the same level of security for everybody. If you want MORE security, than you must pay MORE taxes. And we both know,.. that's not going to happen.

 

The first guy who makes a real, practical and workable stun gun will make a billion dollars and save a million lives

But I mean something that works on everyone and is as effective as a gun all the time, so far, that's been elusive

 

You need to ask them. There is a heck of a lot of violence in a psychiatric hospital.

 

defund it, because you need more healthcare workers and less cops who are now being used to deal with what they can't handle since they are used as a hit squad.

 

Hey, how about this idea. When you have reports of a crazed gunman we give like 20 really BIG cops bulletproof vests and kevlar helmets along with these big long sticks, billy clubs I think they were called. And then have them go in and beat the guy down.

I have an uncle, long gone now who was a beat patrolman for 20 years. He took some pride in that he had arrested several armed gang captains using only his formidable five cell flashlight. We little kids used to look at the Maglite left on his car seat like Excalibur in the Stone.

 

Not making it up... it's as shallow as 13 weeks.
https://golawenforcement.com/articl...uration of the training,last up to six months.

Oh... going on a nitpick tour. It still takes 2 years of training of to become a police constable in the UK.

 

That's not probationary... that's 2 years on the streets as a student.

 

Easy for you to put social workers in a dangerous position. What type of training would social workers need to handle a person who is obviously distressed and waving a firearm that looks like the real deal?

 

You're saying police shouldn't respond to reports of an armed person threatening people? The police need to deal with the immediate threat. They should do that better than they sometimes do, avoiding killing the suspects in the process (and would need more resources, specialist personnel, support and training to do so) but it is still a police issue in the first instance.

As I said, the social and clinical support needs to come long, long before anyone gets to this point (and potentially after too) but even if all possible funding was provided for those kind of resources, it wouldn't work 100% of the time, we'd still have incidents of violence and threats that would require active policing to resolve (not to mention all of the incidents that don't directly result from these causes).

So why play one off against the other? Why not resource good social care and good policing at the same time? There is absolutely zero reason why we shouldn't have both.

 

Social workers do dangerous work. Nothing new there.
And you probably need a person with MSW who had safety training in client violence.
I am going to take you never ever bothered to look into this. Use google next time.

 

If you saw the footage, than you would see the streets were empty. And yeah... the guy obviously needed psychiatric care. That would be exceptionally clear if you read the article. And cops are not qualified to give that. They aint health workers, so stop attempting to argue that with some training they suddenly are. That's just ludicrous.

The reason you can play one off against the other is because the police don't need the same amount of resources if they do not need to deal with people needing psychiatric care. Duh

 

Yeah, maybe the Police should have shot him with Marshmellows and Beanie Babies to get him to stop advancing towards them with a Gun. If he hadn't had access to a Gun, it would have been a Knife, which is equally effective at killing someone as a Gun. Either way, this violent Animal needed to be put down before he killed an innocent. I'd like to see how you would have handled this situation, because my belief is you'd be Dead now.

 

Yup, I HATE Black on White Racism.

 

Maybe something like this could be an alternative to shooting a criminal, but would create quite a Mess

 

Maybe we could just send firetrucks instead of police, and blast them into submission with water hoses?

 

So a guy comes at you with a 45 caliber and you let him keep coming until he's 3 feet away so that you can shoot him with silly string. I see no possible problem.

 

From YOUR site;

Education requirements for police officers
Aspiring police officers have the possibility to choose whether to start their career right after high school, provided the agency they want to work for allows it, or to proceed with their education and get a degree prior to joining the law enforcement forces. The education requirements for becoming a police officer vary by state and by department – generally, agencies require a high school diploma or an equivalent for entry-level positions but as of lately, most departments include in their requirements an associate’s or bachelor’s degree. In addition to that, if you have the desire to grow in your career and move to a federal law enforcement agency at some point, it is better to first invest some time in education and then apply for a law enforcement position.

Police officers who want to work in more specialized divisions or are looking forward to advancing in their career, should be able to offer at least a bachelor’s degree in a law enforcement-related discipline and possibly a master’s degree. The level of education also can affect the salary an officer receives. The good news is that you can start your career as a police officer and then proceed with getting a degree either as a part-time student or online.

Regardless of the approach you are going to choose, here is roughly how much time you need to get a law enforcement degree that can help you with your career:

• Getting an associate’s degree usually takes two years if you decide to complete a full-time traditional program. There are options to accelerate or slow down the process by taking more or fewer classes. You can pursue an associate’s degree online as well.
• Earning a bachelor’s degree in law enforcement takes four years if you attend a regular on-campus program. There is an option to max out classes and finish in three and a half years or to study part-time and complete the program in about five and a half years. There is also a great variety of online law enforcement degrees that you can complete, depending on your preferences.
• A master’s degree in law enforcement usually takes two or three years to complete. You can choose between on-campus and online formats depending on your availability, resources, and job/family responsibilities.
• The investment in a doctoral degree in law enforcement is four to five years. There is an option to get a Ph.D. online as well, which can be completed in two and a half to four years.

I guess if you don't care about fact, just that in the UK they take longer to do a less dangerous job.

 

Psychiatric care is the problem for individuals and their therapists. That's not a civil matter until some du***** goes insane in public and becomes a danger.

It's, we get it. There are no justifiable shootings of ANY black person EVER. In your head.

 

Help for mental help issues comes AFTER being taken into custody. There is no realistic way to use " other people " to help some one on the street when they may pose a threat.

Most cops are well educated and college grads. Univerdally their training lasts MUCH longer than two weeks