Pit Bulls should be banned in this country ! <<MOD WARNING - FOR RULE 9>>

Oh, definitely. She's already been working with these people for a while now. It is a combo training facility/day care, but they have behaviorists on staff and my girl has been training with them. She had a lot of leash aggression and approach aggression when we started, but over the past couple of months we've been bringing her closer and closer to the fenced area and giving her treats while monitoring her for stress. She's already gone from shivering at the sight of another dog out in the open to being able to come to the fence without a problem and sniff the other pups or meeting any of them in a 1-on-1 setting. She loves other dogs, always wagging her tail when she sees them through a window or a door, but she used to get edgy if there weren't any barriers and she was never properly socialized. At this point, she even loves her muzzle because she knows when I break it out that she's getting a walk, treats and socialization.

But yeah, she won't be going to any dog parks until she gets a green light from her behaviorist, even then we will start with their day care and testing her out in a few other environments before trying anything new.

 

Actually that's not quite right. Many of these smaller 'flat faced' dogs where specifically bred by the Chinese. They regard dogs with snouts as too 'bestial', and therefore not suited as pets. They deliberately tried to produce dogs with flat, human faces. Hence all the problems with breathing and cranial capacity. It's completely nuts, of course, and zero consideration was given to the health of the animal.

I personally regard all 'ornamental' dog breeds as problematic, as they were bred to indulge human vanity, not with any practical purpose in mind. Small fluffy handbag dogs are number one on my hit list. Maltese, Shih Tzu, Pugs, Cavies, etc etc. It's not a size objection .. I have no problems with Fox Terriers and Jack Russells.

 

They may have been specifically bred, but every known dog is a wolf descendant thus random mutation at some point is a genetic must

 

Yes, of course. But random mutations were selectively bred, as you mentioned.

It's also worth keeping in mind that Spitz dogs are the closest (genetically and in regards to robustness of health) domestic breeds to the wolf. If you're not comfortable with a Spitz type dog, the next option is to go for breeds which have the standard wolf features of: long pointed snout, triangular pricked ears, longish legs in proportion to body, and long straight-ish tail. Most dogs that fit this description are Spitz, but there are a few which aren't. Incidentally, almost all 'wild' dogs on earth follow this conformation.

 

Technically all wild dogs belong to the same species as wolves. African painted dogs and Australian dingoes are not spitz breeds, but in actuality every known dog breed except for one Italian breed has clear wolf DNA, not matter how big or small the breed. I would never own a wolf or wolf hybrid, they belong to the mountains where they run

 

I had an Irish Wolfhound (largest of all breeds, originally bred for killing wolves). The neighbors ALL loved her. . . . Excellent with children.

Our local vet has several dogs and cats that roam free in the waiting room to mingle with the guests and animals. . . One of them is a Pit Bull.

Violent dogs reflect their upbringing. . . . Just like children.

 

Indeed. Wild dogs look spitz-ish because the spitz shape is the wolf shape. Technically, a dingo is a spitz, using this definition.

 

Dingo conformation. Very "spitz"



The Australian Kelpie (very handsome dogs), which is a dingo/short haired border collie cross, developed around 150 years ago to work both sheep and cattle (they will heel, if trained to). This example is a show type, which has a longer coat. The working lines are taller, leaner, and have longer legs.

 

I keep my dogs in a fenced backyard all the time, not because of any danger they might cause to people but for their protection from other animals and cars. I have seen some in our area intentionally try to hit dogs, cats, squirrels or any animal near the road. Protection of my four legged family members is most important to me.

 

Not if they are raised with love.

 

So then you believe a dog should be free to run on other people's property and do whatever they like. My daughter has a farm and neighbor dogs were killing her chickens and goats so I told her to shoot the dogs when they attack the livestock. This is what happens when most people allow their dogs to run free.

 

I am right now but I have always been a country dweller and my dogs stayed in a fence with plenty of room to run for their protection. Any other animals who came around and caused trouble got shot and buried.

 

Yea now that I look closer the dingo does look a lot like a coyote which is clearly spitz

 

My dogs run free on public parklands of which there are millions of acres in the USA

 

2.) Although there are no accurate or even near accurate census records
for dogs in the U.S., in some populations pit bulls are estimated to
comprise some 30-40% of the dog population, making it a very popular
breed. Considering that there were an estimated 53,000,000 dogs in the
U.S., and assuming that pit bulls make up 10% of that population, there
would be approximately 5.3 million pit bulls in our society. In 2000, 13 pit
bulls were involved in 8 fatal attacks. That is roughly ONE dog out of
204,000 - or .000385 percent of the pit bull population.

3.) Over the 37-year period from 1965-2001, pit bulls have been blamed
for an average of 2.48 human fatalities per year.

4.) About 40 people (children) per year die by drowning in 5-gallon water
pails. A person, during their lifetime, is 16 times more likely to drown in a
5-gallon water pail than to be killed by a pit bull.

5.) Approximately 50 children in the US are killed every year by their cribs
- 25 times the number of children and adults killed by pit bulls.

6.) Approximately 150 people are killed every year by falling coconuts.
Therefore, you are more than 60 TIMES MORE LIKELY to be killed by a
PALM TREE than a pit bull.



7.) Each year, 350 people drown in their bathtubs. You are 151 times
more likely to be killed by your bathtub than you are by a pit bull.

8.) It is estimated that about 500 deaths per year are caused by aspirin.
You are more than 200 times more likely to die from taking aspirin than
from a pit bull attack.

9.) Every year, more than 2,000 children in the U.S. are killed by their
parents or guardians either through abuse or neglect. A child is more
than 800 times more likely to be killed by their adult caretaker than by a
pit bull.

10.) It is estimated that 5,000,000 dogs per year are killed in shelters.
Since in many places pit bulls make up 30-50% of the shelter population,
and are less likely to be considered for placement than any other breed,
guessing that 25% of those dogs killed is a reasonable estimate.
Therefore, it can be assumed that perhaps 1.25 million pit bulls are killed
per year.

Therefore - it is at least a HALF MILLION TIMES MORE LIKELY that a pit
bull will be killed by a HUMAN than the other way around.

11.) For every pit bull who kills, there are hundreds of thousands that
DON'T.

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In the year 2000, pit bulls were involved in 8 fatalities.

From the National Safety Council: Numbers of Deaths Due to Injury,
United States in 2000:

• Bitten or struck by dog (all breeds), 26
  
• Bitten or struck by other mammals, 65
  
• Bitten or stung by nonvenomous insect and other arthropods, 9
  
• Bitten or crushed by other reptiles, 31
  
• Drowning and submersion while in or falling into bath-tub, 341
  
• Drowning and submersion while in or falling into swimming-pool,
  567
  
• Accidental suffocation and strangulation in bed, 327
  
• Ignition or melting of nightwear, 9
  
• Contact with hot tap-water, 55
  
• Contact with venomous snakes and lizards, 12
  
• Contact with venomous spiders, 5
  
• Contact with hornets, wasps and bees, 54
  
• Contact with other and unspecified venomous animal or plant, 9
  
• Nonopioid analgesics, antipyretics, and antirheumatics, 176
  
• Alcohol, 302
  
• Legal intervention involving firearm discharge, 270
  
• Legal execution, 80

Yeah! let's ban all these things, Hell! about a Hundred People a year are killed in Hunting accidents, let's ban that awful activity first, before banning Pitbulls. People are SO! Friggen stupid in this country.

 

Wrong, you are 100 percent wrong as a grandmother put her garbage to the curb to come back to a dead grandchild, the grandmother was loving and the dog came from a so called good breeder. See these dogs have a dominant gene for violence that no breeder can remove, just as all Dalmatians carry the gene for deafness, dominant genes can not be removed

 

Wrong again, pitts comprise 6 percent of the dog population, and there are accurate stats, that you are in denial of

2016 dog bite fatality statistics2

• 31 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2016. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 900 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 71% (22) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.3
• Together, pit bulls (22) and rottweilers (2), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 77% of the total recorded deaths in 2016. This same combination also accounted for 76% of all fatal attacks during the 12-year period of 2005 to 2016.
• The breakdown between these two breeds is substantial over this 12-year period. From 2005 to 2016, pit bulls killed 254 Americans, about one citizen every 17 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 43, a citizen every 102 days (Related graph).

 

I want Vizsla's banned, one severely injured my sisters dog for no good reason other than being a big Chicken **** dog that picked on a smaller dog that posed no harm. At least a Pitbull would stand it's ground against a bigger opponent, whereas a worthless Vizsla would tuck it's tail and crap itself, unless of course it's a helpless little Poodle.

 

Don't rule out shelter dogs. I work with warrant seizure rescues, abandoned and abused dogs many of which are Pits and Pit mixes. The have to be properly vet checked and bval'd (behavior evaluation) Time after time i have seen these dogs make a full 180 degree turnaround and become some of the best family dogs a person could have.

You are correct there are a certain type of people who should not own a Pit/Pit mix breed. I also do some adoption counseling or will sit in on counsels and make recommendations when I see a bad fit. You can tell by how people respond to certain questions what type of owner they will be.

 

You are in denial of the truth and want to live in la la land with your fingers in your ears

 

And a whole lot more than most conservatives. Wolves, the wild ancestors of ALL dogs, are among the most timid of all the well-known predators, they have no need to prove their innate courage by keeping larger and stronger animals than themselves as pets

I live in one of the ten largest counties in the US, we have vast rural areas. We have a leash law in our county's entirety. Dogs who run loose form packs and these packs are one of the main dangers to wildlife, livestock and even human beings that exist in the US today.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/08/0821_030821_straydogs.html

 

You have pride in monsters that do this? Really?

LOL wild domestic dogs are the main threat to wildlife....................sheesh

The main threat to wildlife is human encroachment on rural areas

Bank on it, this is true Worldwide as well

 

No, I want to talk about dangerous animals.

That's all true but it still doesn't mean the dog or the animal is "bad". Humans are evil, or very foolish, by expecting animals to act in defiance of their natures, which they cannot do. Pit Bulls are effective and brave guards, known for the genuine affection they often feel for their owners but they are not intelligent enough to realize how strong they are and how easily they can hurt other things. So we humans are obligated to be good masters and protect these animals from themselves while protecting our own persons in the process