Placating God Via Sacrifice

He did say, if indeed he did, that he came for the Jews. Yet his message transcended just one particular group of people. I doubt he was a lunatic anymore than the Buddha or Lao Tzu was. Christ according to Aldous Huxley, who spent much time studying this, was another avatar that taught the Philosophia Perennis. I think he was right.

 

Now Dylan was a real god!

 

What's your belief as to the creation of life? Do you have proof or just faith in science, who admit they don't know.
I'll put you down for 'faith in science' - kind of like a religious faith.

 

God doesn't talk to anyone, but if you believe He do's and/or if you believe what's written in the Bible, then you must believe in God.
You'll never determine what God wants and I never claimed any such, I said he didn't write the Bible.
Secondly - the Bible doesn't own the copyright on God. It's not the ALL ENCOMPASSING MANUAL OF GOD.
It's just a book scrabbled together or I should say cherry picked for it's contents from obscure letters.
The Bible has you boxed in and you can't think outside the box.

 

I am not in the Bible box. The Bible is the word of humans. If your religious beliefs are not Bible based and address the need for God to have Jesus tortured and killed (yes he wanted him killed or no he did not want him killed) what proof do you have for these religious beliefs? Clearly I think that the idea of placating an invisible man via sacrifice is total BS.

 

Don't know. Not knowing is not knowing. No need for a fairy tale.

Science is about proving what you claim. Religion is based on circular logic. You create a book (or books) and use that book(s) for proof of your religion.

 

I hate to break it to ya, but humans arent machines. Logic and objectivity are certainly important, but so is emotion. Spirituality is an emotional experience that exists contrary to logic.

Whether its God, astrology, magic or just a permeating energy that links the universe together, many humans have an emotion or 'feeling' that there is more going on than we can currently measure and define. Which is another way of saying there is no proof. Speculating on what that 'more' is, is a part of human exploration.

Also, theres no such thing as 'a little proof.' Something is either provable or its not. Quantity does not apply.

 

Emotion is simply about feeling good. There may be proof. I think some of the research Ian Stevenson did borders on proof. For example his book: A Contribution to the Etiology of Birthmarks and Birth Defects.

 

I don't think emotion is just about feeling good. Its very closely tied to instinct or 'gut feeling.' Its not uncommon/unknown that humans have unexplainable abilities like 'feeling like you're being watched' for example. Much of this Im sure is tied to subconciously picking up on environmental cues like faint smells or sounds or even vibrations, but not all of it. The idea that ~90% of our brains go 'unused' is falling out in preference for the idea that we simply dont yet understand what most of our brainpower is actually for. I believe that we're capable (or becoming capable, or even used to be capable) of sensing more than the objective (sight, sound, smell, taste, touch) and that emotion is a part of that extrasensory ability that we're either evolving or have somehow lost.

Check out research on the Pineal Gland as a good starter into this subject. Its functions are largely unknown, however its structure is very similar to certain high frequency antennas and one common theory is that its the part of our brain responsible for processing (or receiving) spiritual experience. It also happens to be located precisely where ancient cultures would place depictions of 'the third eye.'

 

Why are you quoting the Bible knowing that it was written by humans and claiming that's what God said? You're chasing your tail with that argument. There are countries whose whole population have religious beliefs that are not based on the Bible.
You have no proof that God ever wanted anyone killed. Now you'll cite a passage from the Bible that man wrote, to prove that the God you don't believe in, wanted someone killed. Did you hear God say he wanted someone killed? Did you see God write down that he wanted someone killed? It's not even hearsay. Religious beliefs don't require proof and I can't very well prove my paranormal experiences, nor do I need to. I've seen what I've seen, which includes 2 ghosts, and I know what I know and there couldn't possibly be any proof that you would except so why would anyone even try? There are other religions besides Christianity. Maybe you weren't aware of that, being that you're stuck in the box. God doesn't want or need sacrifice. He already has everything and there's nothing you can give him, including your life, that He couldn't just take from you Himself.

 

If the belief is true, I'd say such suspension is well advised. Wouldn't you?

 

The story of Yeshua is just another biblical story that teaches complete obedience and loyalty to the Boss.

 

Part of the answer was given by Grant R. Jeffrey Ph. D:

Another part of the answer is that Messiah the Passover Lamb had to volunteer
to participate in an essentially infinite number of potential time lines all of which
fulfill Ezekiel chapter 37. In Judaism the offer by Messiah sounds like this:


This cannot be done by a child...... only by somebody of age capable of understanding
the implications of their offer:


https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/101679/jewish/The-Personality-of-Mashiach.htm

The Personality of Mashiach
By J. Immanuel Schochet

 

Personally.... I suspect that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus induced a near death type of experience
through prolonged fasting........
He met the Being of Light of NDE fame.... the Word / Logos... and
fully Vulcan Mind Melded with the Word - Logos......
which was actually a part of his own over - soul anyway.........

Matthew chapter 4 could well have taken place partly in an out of the body state or near death experience state of consciousness. Much of the teachings of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus resemble the zeal of Rabbi Alon Anava who also had a near death experience when he was 28 years old.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/4/1/s_933001

Mat 4:1

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Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
(This sounds at least somewhat like an out of the body experience).

Mat 4:8

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Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;"
(again this sounds like it could have been in the out of the body state).

After hearing at least half of the NDE account of Rabbi Alon Anava... Matthew chapter 5 will sound very different to you.

Mat 5:17

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Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

Much more than that, so you are missing a most important part. That humans can all be sons of God. Via a revolution in human consciousness. And that is the main point of His Teachings. Although it has been pushed back into some dark corner, as that path does not create a church with positions of authority, which benefits the ego of man. If a Church consists of individuals doing the inner seeking, which requires no human authority to tell you how and what to do in that endeavor, then no positions of authority are created, but quite the contrary. You are on your own, and this kind of religion is not beneficial to those men who demand to have authority over others.