Plane or No Plane?

Discussion in '9/11' started by Hunter Rose, Aug 15, 2011.

  1. Jango

    Jango New Member

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    The vibe I got from it was that it was Operation Northwoods going down. They used radar information, so you contend it was fabricated? Why hasn't the government sued them for you know what if it's exactly what it is you say it is? Why would they put up with such clear propaganda? Maybe because the counterargument to their argument is, "Show us the radar screens for 9/11." Opens doors. Doors that men who drink expensive Bourbon and have read NSC meeting minutes that we haven't don't like having opened. But like usual, you're going to try to disect my post as if you're actually getting ahead of this thing at all. You seem to fail to realize we live in a post 9/11 world. Take a good hard look at the Executive Orders that have been passed since that day, the legislation...can you honestly say it is the American way? We're supposed to stand for freedom, liberty, democracy. I don't understand if you're just blinded by cheery optimism or rosey-colored glasses, but the government, our government, the United States government, is for the most part relatively good/great to good law abiding American citizens under most conditions. They do not actively try to kill us like what is happening in Syria, or what Saddam did to the Kurds, or what Mao did in China. I'fe never really had to worry about being accosted by "the man" for doing nothing wrong like so many of our fellow human beings have to endure on a daily basis. You see, you confuse hatred with compassion. Though I have conservative leanings, I'm very much a moralist. It is easier to chalk me off as some demonized hate mongerer of the United States when it is clear that I am using sourced material. You are being a denialist pure and simple. To deny that the 9/11 Commission Report has zero criticism. That's a joke. You're going to fill those three kids heads with fairy tales like that?
     
  2. Hannibal

    Hannibal New Member

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    Where did anyone say that the 9/11 Commision Report has zero criticism? You're making things up to fuel a delusion.

    As for the rest of your paragraph, you seem to be avoiding the very salient points raised.
     
  3. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    Do you always live your life from "vibes" even when those vibes go directly against the evidence?

    Wrong. The NTSB information is from the radar information. My contention is that Pilots 9/11 is outright lying to you.

    The government can't. It is called the first amendment. You can make any kind of bull(*)(*)(*)(*) statement you want about the government and the government can't do a thing about it.

    They have no choice.

    They have released the radar information. I gave you the pictures of the radar track. Do you have evidence it is wrong? Pretending Pilots 9/11 is a credible source when they are using the same information isn't going to cut it.

    The doors are wide open. Truthers refuse to look at the evidence. All they do is whine that they need more information even when that information is already released.

    Try? If I am only trying, why is it you can't actually RESPOND to my posts? You haven't been able to refute the radar tracks I showed you. You haven't been able to address the fact that Flight 11 had already crashed by the time Flight 77 was hijacked. And all you do is whine that you don't have all the information when you clearly do.

    So how has this legislation taken away your freedom and liberty? As for democracy, we're actually a republic and our senators and representatives voted for that legislation.

    So you falsely accuse me of cheery optimism or rose colored glasses and then state my point. Such massive hypocricy and irony is lost on the ignorant. What a shame!

    No, I don't. One does not have to lie one's ass off to be compassionate. Truthers lie their asses off to push their anti-government / anti-<insert boogieman of choice here> agenda. The proof of this is truthers can't even decide who was behind 9/11. You would think if you truthers really had the answers you would have more in common than Al Qaeda didn't do it.

    I absolutely deny the 9/11 commission has zero criticism. I am sure you meant the opposite, but I've already made my position clear, yet here you are lying your truther ass off about it YET AGAIN. Do you honestly expect people to take you seriously when you lie so much?

    As for sourced material, you're using a video made by a bunch of known liars that is impossible to be true given the flight paths and the fact Flight 11 crashed before Flight 77 was even hijacked. Why is it you can't respond to this? These are known, proven facts. Even your video confirms the radar tracks, but they are hoping the true believers are willing to overlook little things like the truth to pursue the lie.

    So why can't you address the truth? All you have left is lies and insults. Pretty pathetic.
     
  4. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Truther: Why did radar lines intersect.

    The man: They didn't.

    Truther: Oh yeah, but what about Rose colored glasses and people who drink bourbon!
     
  5. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    Seems kind of silly when you put it that way. Oh wait. It IS silly.
     
  6. BullsLawDan

    BullsLawDan New Member

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    This is a good time to remind the board - I continue to have a running bet that no 9/11 denier can go 5 posts in a row directly answering every single question/query that is posed to them. I haven't gotten higher than 2 yet.
     
  7. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm actually really interested to hear what bourbon and rose colored glasses have to do with whether or not the pilots accurately depicted flight telemetry. I also wonder why he thinks such data is recorded using video footage.

    [video=youtube;HXKOsajNZY4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXKOsajNZY4[/video]
     
  8. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    What worries me is he is more interested in how the evidence is presented vs. who is presenting the evidence. Apparently truthers get caught up in the presentation and when it is in a flashy video, they get mezmerized by all the pretty graphics. Present them information straight from the source and they turn their nose up at it because it isn't pretty enough. Go figure.
     
  9. Hannibal

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    Here's the flight paths of all four planes. Where exactly do they all intersect?

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  10. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    I am sorry, Hannibal, but I'm afraid your lines are not "A game" material. No truther is ever going to believe the planes didn't all intersect because Pilots for 9/11 said they did and that is that. Case (or in this case mind) closed.
     
  11. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Troughers dont need to look at anything at all

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  12. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh my GOD. Two different camera angles are different.

    This changes everything!

    Zooming in on the TV to match the camera zoom on the helicopter was a nice touch.
     
  13. Jango

    Jango New Member

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    I never thought or said those four planes intersected. Like I mentioned, I thought of Operation Northwoods. You are aware of the plane components of that plan, correct? Hence, why I asked, originally, if you could refute their radar screen.
     
  14. Hannibal

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    Yes, I can. See above.

    Also note where you said what you say you didn't say. See?
     
  15. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    The Operation Northwoods scenario was blowing up a plane with nobody in it and blaming it on Cuba. Don't you think crashing four planes with real passengers into buildings and killing thousands is a tad grander in scale than what people thought would be enough to justify action against a group/nation? Wait. Why am I asking you? You have shown time and time again you refuse to believe anything that doesn't outright blame the US government.
     
  16. Jango

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    Lol. Pretend that you're answering my question, but I am telling you I never implied that 11, 93, 175, 77 intersected.
     
  17. Hannibal

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    I see. Amazing.
     
  18. Jango

    Jango New Member

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    Why are you being purposely difficult? It is clear by what you quoted that I am telling the truth. It is not my fault you and Patriot inferred wrong.
     
  19. Hannibal

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    You are once again playing semantic games.
     
  20. Jango

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    ...for all that is holy, no I'm not. I'm not being Machiavellian here. The thought never crossed my mind. I never directly implied 11, 77, 93, or 175. I just said four planes' radar blips. You did infer I meant 11, 77, 93, and 175. Not entirely my fault. But you did. Nevertheless, now this side-issue is out of the way, can you refute that planes intersected?
     
  21. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which planes ARE you talking about then?
     
  22. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    'The planes,they intersect!......no,I didn't mean THE planes intersect.

    Are we confused yet?
     
  23. DDave

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    Don't forget the spooky music. That seems to impress them as well.
     
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    I am a fervent No Planer and hope to join any other No Planers on this forum.
     
  25. yasur

    yasur New Member

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    No Planes

    There is no evidence that airliners crashed in New York City or at the Pentagon on 9/11.The videos are obvious fakes."UA 175" fails to obey Newton's laws as it penetrates the massive steel facade of the South Tower.
     

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