Planned Parenthood: “We'll only give you an ultrasound if you get an abortion”

Why do you think they haven't the same experience level ? I think they have the experience to know if something is wrong and then give the woman a reference to an Ob/gyn.


PP is safe.

 

I am not trying to argue that they are remotely unsafe at what they currently do.

I just figure if you don't practice that particular skill ( checking to see of Baby is doing ok for birth purposes ) , you might not be as good at it as an OBGYN clinic that does that stuff regularly, and you might open yourself up to higher liability insurance rates, than if you do not provide those 'well fetus' ultrasound checks. . I sure could be wrong.

If you are correct and they are capable and competent to provide that service, , then maybe they ought to start doing what the op asks, for women who request that ultrasound, but do not want an abortion.

For that to happen, they'd need a serious increase in funding to meet that new need, and we'd have to make sure that those costs are insured regardless of whether this was done at a OB/GYN clinic or at Planned Parenthood. That may involve a turf battle, but I have no problem with an extension of their services, as long as the bucks are in the till.

 

I just don't get why you think PP personal are not qualified to do what they do?

Have women died there because a PP staffer didn't read an ultrasound correctly?


BTW, the OP LOL! What crap...."""Ultrasounds for Killing, Not Care, at Planned Parenthood""


Gee, did you believe the Anti-Abortion video?


Why don't you google PP and see what they really do or don't do.....believing whackjob ant-abortion OPs isn't the way to do it..

 

That is because you continue to misread my post. That is just not what it says, and that is not what I believe. These are the words you are not reading. I will quote for you.
From my post # 27. "I am not trying to argue that they are remotely unsafe at what they currently do...".
From my post # 25 "I think they are perfectly 100% competent to read those ultrasounds for the purposes that they normally use them for, which is positioning and determining a due date or gender as described in the video, or any normal routine purpose in their normal wheelhouse..."

You have to believe that I believe that. That is why there are not any women dying from staff who are not reading it correctly. The change the OP discusses is not just about keeping the woman healthy. they want that ultrasound to see if baby is OK and that matters if you do not intend to abort. That is a whole different kettle of worms, outside the normal parameters of their liability coverage or their normal scope of practice. That is a different specialty and that is not something I think PP is currently hiring or training its staff for, because they focus on terminations where that is less relevant. The anticipated outcome ( termination) formulates the skill set demanded.

 

BTW, the OP LOL! What crap...."""Ultrasounds for Killing, Not Care, at Planned Parenthood""


Gee, did you believe the Anti-Abortion video?


Why don't you google PP and see what they really do or don't do.....believing whackjob ant-abortion OPs isn't the way to do it..

 

I don't believe the OP. I am trying to make your argument, in that PP is not currently suited for the role the OP is demanding, Its not an OBGYN clinic and it isn't not supposed to nor trained to. read those ultrasounds for that purpose, and probably should not get in the business of becoming more OBGYN -like unless we want to throw a lot more money at them.

 

From Planned Parenthood's site , not an anti-Abortion crap site:

Planned Parenthood is one of the nation's leading providers of high-quality, affordable health care for women, men, and young people, and the nation's largest provider of sex education. Planned Parenthood also works with partner organizations worldwide to improve the sexual health and well-being of individuals and families everywhere.

Planned Parenthood has 56 independent local affiliates that operate more than 600 health centers throughout the United States, providing high-quality services to women, men, and teens.

Planned Parenthood often is the only source of family planning for a large proportion of the women we serve.

Our Clients
Planned Parenthood provides sexual and reproductive health care, education, information, and outreach to nearly five million women, men, and adolescents worldwide in a single year.

2.4 million women, men, and young people in the United States visit Planned Parenthood affiliate health centers for trusted health care services and information in a single year.

Eighty-five percent of Planned Parenthood health care patients in the U.S. are age 20 and older.

An estimated one in five women in the U.S. has visited a Planned Parenthood health center at least once in her life.

Our Work
Planned Parenthood health centers focus on prevention: 80 percent of our patients receive services to prevent unintended pregnancy.

Planned Parenthood services help prevent an estimated 560,000 unintended pregnancies in a single year.

Planned Parenthood provides more than 295,000 Pap tests and more than 320,000 breast exams in a single year, critical services in detecting cancer.

Planned Parenthood provides more than 4.2 million tests and treatments for sexually transmitted infections, including more than 650,000 HIV tests.

Planned Parenthood affiliates provide educational programs and outreach to 1.5 million young people and adults in a single year.

Planned Parenthood has 10 million activists, supporters, and donors working for women's health and safety and our fundamental reproductive rights.

 

First of all your premises wrong because it is not true that liberals have more abortions. Secondly we are not allowed to kill live beings. We aren’t talking about children and a zygote is not a child

 

I always believe that if a test or x-ray or ultrasound is done on someone, they are entitled to see that text/ x-ray/ ultrasound on request. Its a basic consumer and patient right. this right rests with the patient or client and is driven by their request to see what already exists to treat the needs of the consumer consistent to policy , not the government or a pro life organization. If PP takes an ultrasound, they must provide an opportunity for their client to see that ultrasound, if the client requests to see it and wants to see it. They should feel obliged to shove it in the face of someone who did not ask to see the damn thing, because of someone else's agenda. That turns the image into propaganda, and we normally do not require folks to see or read propaganda to maximize its exposure.

 

And you think PP routinely does this?


from the Washington Post:

 

No, because they are waiting to hear a request. They do not presume one and shove the thing in anyones face. The right to request to see, or not to see, entirely with the client. What the above does not say, is that a specific request to see a test, already performed consistent with PP policy, is refused.

 

Washington POST! ? NOT!

Why does your link say Washington Examiner.....ain't that just a tad dishonest ???

The whole article was so slanted which is why I thought ""the Post doesn't print that CRAP...something's wrong...""...and sure enough , there was the Anti-Choicer's lie.

Your slanted, dishonest article:

UH, everyone SANE already knows a human female, if pregnant, has a human fetus....ultrasound wasn't needed for that...it didn't "highlight" anything...

...and singing Yankee Doodle Dandy and texting messages to it's siblings....

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UH, all the article forgot to do was mention that the women could just ASK to see it ... how dishonest, like listing the WRONG NEWSPAPER.

Now, I doubt I'll get a response that's honest or a response at all.....seems addressing facts isn't someone's strong point.




please note : deception is the only resource Anti-Choicers have....

 

First of all the Washington examiner is a rag.....not a legitimate paper like you tried to pass it off as..the Washington Post....and it is filled with such ridiculous misinformation .
First of all It isn’t even a fetus at seven weeks it is still an embryo and does not have developed hands that it could suck it’s thumb ...and sigh?? Maybe if you would educate yourself you would realize that it is a fraction of one ounce and has no neural connections, therefore has cannot feel pain.

 

they do not offer that service, this is a mandatory part of the REPUBLICANS demands that they get a ultrasound when they get an abortion

republicans like Vaginal Probe Pence demand they do it, then attack them for doing it

nice try republicans, but just more fake news from the right

 

I thought they give valuable prenatal care?
Where is it?

 

It would seem you do not understand what PP does. It is not a doctors office.

 

Isn't this enough ???




From Planned Parenthood's site , not an anti-Abortion crap site:

Planned Parenthood is one of the nation's leading providers of high-quality, affordable health care for women, men, and young people, and the nation's largest provider of sex education. Planned Parenthood also works with partner organizations worldwide to improve the sexual health and well-being of individuals and families everywhere.

Planned Parenthood has 56 independent local affiliates that operate more than 600 health centers throughout the United States, providing high-quality services to women, men, and teens.

Planned Parenthood often is the only source of family planning for a large proportion of the women we serve.

Our Clients
Planned Parenthood provides sexual and reproductive health care, education, information, and outreach to nearly five million women, men, and adolescents worldwide in a single year.

2.4 million women, men, and young people in the United States visit Planned Parenthood affiliate health centers for trusted health care services and information in a single year.

Eighty-five percent of Planned Parenthood health care patients in the U.S. are age 20 and older.

An estimated one in five women in the U.S. has visited a Planned Parenthood health center at least once in her life.

Our Work
Planned Parenthood health centers focus on prevention: 80 percent of our patients receive services to prevent unintended pregnancy.

Planned Parenthood services help prevent an estimated 560,000 unintended pregnancies in a single year.

Planned Parenthood provides more than 295,000 Pap tests and more than 320,000 breast exams in a single year, critical services in detecting cancer.

Planned Parenthood provides more than 4.2 million tests and treatments for sexually transmitted infections, including more than 650,000 HIV tests.

Planned Parenthood affiliates provide educational programs and outreach to 1.5 million young people and adults in a single year.

Planned Parenthood has 10 million activists, supporters, and donors working for women's health and safety and our fundamental reproductive rights.

 

And where was the prenatal care?

 

No medical care given by doctors?

 

Actually, they do not advertise themselves are providing prenatal care at all.
Per Wiki. "The services provided by PPFA affiliates vary by location, with just over half of all Planned Parenthood affiliates in the United States performing abortions.[47] Services provided by PPFA include birth control and long-acting reversible contraception;[48] emergency contraception; clinical breast examinations; cervical cancer screening; pregnancy testing and pregnancy options counseling; testing and treatment for sexually transmitted infections; sex education; vasectomies; LGBT services; and abortion.[49][50] Contrary to the assumption of some, Planned Parenthood conducts cancer screenings and breast exams but does not provide mammograms.[51]

They don't have any reason to screen ultrasounds to check the health of the fetus, only for positioning, twins etc and gestation

 

but not mammograms

Whatever type of "breast exam" they might offer would be, at best, a staffer groping the woman's boobies and feeling if there's anything obviously hard.

 

Yep and they might do a cervix check and a general skin check for cancer as well.

Regardless they should not be reading those ultrasounds to 'check on the baby' its not in their job description, and it would entail a huge leap in their scope of practice, training and liability. That is what obgyn clinics are for.

 

Is that before or after they jam the luminaria in there?

 

Assuming they are providing both a cancer screen and an abortion on the woman, I would guess the answer is before. As long as they do both competently and safely, its all good.

 

Checking for cancer while they're inserting the luminaria in there doesn't really count as a cancer screening procedure.
If that's your logic, then a woman gets all sorts of screenings during a typical abortion.