Planned Parenthood announces $45M campaign to defeat Trump.

Who is your post directed to?

 

@GrayMan?

 

why not? Because they don't hold the same values that you do? While we may both consider abortion a sin, it is legal.

 

I am positive it is not. MIT and all the research U lobby the feds all the time for research grants. We give billions to the oil industry. also to the agribus industry. they all lobby.

 

mistake on my part.

 

They have a right to funding as much as any orther organization that provides health care on a sliding scale basis.

They provide many other services than abortions. Birth control, sexual health screenings and treatments, from the first page

• Anemia Testing
  
  
• Checkups for Sexual Health Problems
  
  
• Cholesterol Screening
  
  
• Colon Cancer Screening
  
  
• Diabetes Screening
  
  
• Employment and Sports Physicals
  
  
• Flu Vaccination
  
  
• High Blood Pressure Screening
  
  
• Rape Crisis Counseling Referrals
  
  
• Routine Physical Exams
  
  
• Smoking Cessation
  
  
• Tetanus Vaccination
  
  
• Thyroid Screening
  
  
• UTI Testing and Treatment
  
  
• Other General Health Care Services

As far as raising funds earmarked to lobbying purposes.

 

Because they are engaging on politics what so you think we have been discussing here? Read the OP.

 

And there is nothing wrong with that. Why should any group not be able to lobby or provide campaign funds. We give the oil companies 30 bill, that does not stop them from lobbying. We give Universities billions to conduct research they all lobby congress.

I can see a law saying federal funds can not be used for political purposes, but why can't money they generate in income from private insurers, individual private payments and money from donations can not be used to lobby congress or donate to political causes.

 

We don't give oil companies money. As I already noted the president of PP just resigned because they have chosen to become a political group. Government money should not be sent to political groups don't you agree?

 

The argument PP gives is that they can partisan themselves into separate financial accounting entities, and somehow keep their abortion and political sides separate from their non-abortion non-profit community health services (minimal as those are).

But in reality that's really difficult because they're using the same facilities, the same employees on the same payroll, and there's no real guarantee that money from one area won't end up indirectly trickling over into another area.

And they'd have to keep all 3 categories separate, because you don't want government funding used to fund partisan political activities, and if you want to be able to say that taxpayer money is not being used to fund abortions, and at the same time them wanting to claim non-profit tax exempt status to provide those abortions.
It would be a very precarious accounting juggling act.

 

I need to understand what you mean by political groups. Just because an organization is activist in either conservative or progressive policies as it pertains to their business, is no reason to stop funds. Just as many faith based addiction services receive funding. As do faith based pregnancy heath centers.

And I don't understand your concern about A business setting up a Strategic business Unit to separate funds. That SBU will be tasked with raising private funds for both health operations and political causes. They have already formed Planned Parenthood Votes is a separate entity from the main Planned Parenthood organization, for the 2018 mid terms and is is funded by donations and can legally play a role in political activities.

And by their accounting to the feds as I provided earlier in this thread only 3-4 percent of the total funds that planned parenthood receives, from private insurance, private pay, donations and Medicare Medicaid goes to pay for abortions'. Now all federal funding is 1/3 of their op budget, do you think it would be a problem to keep the 4 percent dedicated from the remaining 66% that is not fed funds?

The company I worked for had two plants in China, some of my time that I spent on projects was paid by the plants in China and some by the home office. I don't see any difficulty at all.

 

At what point are you saying that they engaged in political activity?

 

What's a "sliding scale basis?"

That I did not know. None of those things have anything to do with Parenthood, so I'm surprised.

I already don't understand the idea behind the effort to defund Planned Parenthood, because I always thought that it was already the case that no federal funding goes to providing abortions, but after learning about all of the other medical services that they provide, I'm even more confused now why anyone would want to defund them.

What does lobbying have to do with federal funding?

 

Is there any pro-life person who DOES want to silence the other side?

 

Most pro-lifers want to silence those who disagree with them. Some pro-lifers have gone so far as to kill some on the other side.

 

Let me guess - this is an utterly baseless claim? If not, then back it up.

You mean the abortion clinic bombing?

 

Your guess is very close to correct. While not completely baseless I have no back up. My comment is simply based on my personal experience with people who are pro life. In discussions I have found most of them would've preferred me to shut up and go away.

Yes.

 

I thought you meant that pro lifers try to stop people from speakingly freely. Telling you to shut up is not the same. Very childish though and shows that they are scared to hear what you have to say.

One bombing is hardly relevant.

 

The people in this thread who do not want political action to be taken by this group because a very small percentage of the funding is under title X.

 

Based on your income. for a family of 4 your on Medicaid until you reach like 24K per year. After 24K until you get to 2x of the federal poverty level the price is subsidized
by donations and funding sources. To clean your teeth and xrays is about 100 bucks
If you make little money you pay less. say 35 grand you would pay $75 at 30K you may pay $60 etc.[/QUOTE]​

 

No, they're saying that they can do whatever they want, but that the government should remove funding.

 

What happened to the rest of your reply?

 

Read the OP, go read the statement of the president who just left.

 

So any women can get an ultrasound at any PP? NOT!

January 31, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – Two new investigative videos from Live Action show Planned Parenthood uses its ultrasound technology for abortions, but not for women who want to continue their pregnancies and check the health of their babies.

Only three of the 68 Planned Parenthood centers visited by Live Action investigators were able to provide women with an ultrasound for a purpose other than abortion. This is because, in its employees' own words, Planned Parenthood only does ultrasounds "not related to prenatal care."

One video is titled "Ultrasounds for Killing, Not Care, at Planned Parenthood" and the other is titled "Planned Parenthood Managers: Ultrasounds for Abortions, Not Health Care." The former features undercover footage from in-person visits and phone calls to Planned Parenthood. The latter includes the testimonies of two former Planned Parenthood managers.

The other thing is that Planned Parenthood has abortion quotas. To them abortion is like selling an automobile, incentives are offered if you do well.
They also sell baby parts to the highest bidder. This is a for profit enterprise that an undercover investigation exposed (CMP) and captured high level PP administrators discussing the sale of baby parts over a casual lunch - work meeting.
We also have on video a high level planned parenthood executive discussing the procedure on how to perform a partial birth abortion, which is illegal. This is done for the harvesting of certain internal organs. You crush above and you crush below.

Planned Parenthood also commits murder by infanticide, sometimes killing the baby after birth. You know their logic here? It's closer to a fetus than a real human being so it still has no rights. See how the left exploits our laws instead of submitting to them?

Ultimately this is rebellion at its core. And planned parenthood is the chief offender of that and of human rights. Abortion is the most destructive force in American history.

 

Likely relevant to the people who were killed.
Doesn't killing go against the idea of pro-life?