Point of view. A look from the other side.

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  1. Balancer

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    I have been watching English-language media for several years and reading English-language political forums. And for a long time I draw attention to a very selective approach to the choice and comments of news. This, in general, is natural. Russia and the West are in a state of confrontation, and any participant in the conflict (fortunately - only an information conflict) always tries to provide information in a way that is beneficial to him.

    And so it turns out that the Western point of view in Russia is poor or poorly known. In Russia, three quarters of the adult population actively use the Internet, including the Western media. Many foreign TV channels are broadcast in Russia, both in English and Russian. Many foreign publications and news are translated into Russian. Somewhere here, too, there are distortions, but the information is available.

    But the westerner in the information plan, as I understand it, is more limited. Russian-language news no one reads, from the Russian media only Russia Today is broadcast, and then, the popularity of this channel is not high. Therefore, a big skewed perception is obtained. I do not want to argue here about the one whose media is more truthful, even if the Russian media are less honest, and the western media are more honest, they still distort the information.

    Therefore, I want to try to keep a news and commentary tape, in which the point of view of the opposition that is on the other side would appear.

    I do not pretend to be absolute objectivity, I am the same person as everyone, and I have my own interests and distortions of perception. Moreover, if I see somewhere in someone a big skew in one direction, then I often try to take the opposite position, so that at the intersection of these extreme points of view, others might try to see the real truth. Hence the origin of my nickname. But, I think, in any business it is important to know different points of view. And, most importantly, I sincerely hope that I am honest. I honestly admit my subjective assessments and are always ready to take a reasoned opposite opinion. Moreover, I have repeatedly changed my opinion under the influence of reliable facts.

    I know very little English and before machine interpreters did not allow me to communicate freely and at ease. But in recent years their quality has skyrocketed. And that's why I'll risk starting to conduct my tape on previously voiced questions. This is not true. This is the other side of truth. Maybe someone will be interested?
     
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    A curse. While writing and translating the water part, there was a hot news. In St. Petersburg, an explosion exploded in the metro. There is still no official information, but the cadres say they have serious consequences.

    They write about ten dead. I think that the number of victims will be greater.

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    Judging by the consequences, it was two explosions of low power. I always said that the security facilities at the entrance to the subway are completely useless. The fact that the terrorist attacks were not so long explained only by the good work of the special services. Every year in Russia dozens of terrorist attacks prevent. But this time they could not prevent the attack.
     
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    They are saying at least 10 dead in the US media. Tragic.
     
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    Began. Again, the Russian opposition blames the FSB for the explosion. Like, the explosion was arranged to distract people from the rally. And then they are unhappy that people are not following them.
     
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    Also, another bomb was discovered. Now it is being neutralized.
     
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    This time, it seems, there were no suicide bombers. Eyewitnesses say that the young guy left his briefcase and left.
     
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    Putins popularity in Russia points out that Russians look at things very differently as compared to Americans. When you look at a map Russia's position can only be defended by an aggressive military and foreign policy. Invasions over the centuries from the east and the west have made Russians paranoid about events around them. Europe and the US pose no threat to Russia but Putin/Russia reacts in the same old way.
     
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    Unfortunately, this "paranoia" is justified. Russia has lost as many foreign invaders in the invasions as no other country has lost in history. Tens of millions of people killed - this is an amount that many can not even imagine.

    I would like to believe it. But, alas, this is not Russia building new military bases around the US. This is NATO that surrounds Russia more and more. You can argue as much as you like about the reasons for this behavior, and arguers each other will not prove anything. But there is a fact - NATO from year to year densely surrounds Russia, and not Russia - NATO.
     
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    Don't be to quick to lay blame, we have some pretty pissed of Democrats here about Russia's ass spanking Hilary, so make sure you turn over evert rock!
     
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    Most likely it was Islamic Terrorism. I'm sorry to hear about this tragic attack on your people.

    Hopefully our two countries can work together to defeat these sub-human cockroaches.

    We are trying to build better relations with your country, but the Democrat Party wants war with Russia. The Democrat Party is trying to prevent the Republicans from making peace with you guys.
     
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    My own opinion on this matter. I put 80% for the fact that this is Islamic terrorism. Not 100%, because the handwriting is not similar, but high probability, because this is the most obvious source. 10% I put on the fact that this is the Ukrainian radicals. They have long threatened to arrange terrorist attacks in Russia. But so far the matter has not reached further than the explosions of power transmission line supports in the Crimea and sending subversive groups there. Another 10% for other reasons.
     
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    I personally do not think that this is the case in whole parties. It seems to me that the aggravation of relations today is primarily a decision of some specific people. It may well be that not public people. Tomorrow another will tell the democrats that it is necessary to be friends with Russia - and the US will be friends with Russia :) This is a pure policy and business.

    When I look at a relationship with a particular person, I never wonder what kind of party he is or what religion he is. I'm wondering what kind of person this is :) And the peculiarity of human psychology is that 70% of people always share the views of 5% of leaders.
     
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    I agree the United States and NATO have played into Russia's classic and historic paranoia given our foreign policy. What is unfortunate is Russia has not recognize that fact and has allowed itself to play into its own paranoia
     
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    Ok but keep in mind the rabbit hole is deep and money is no object ;)
     
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    I should note that I do not believe that the US should have acted differently. Yes, NATO expansion is aggression. Yes, this is bad for Russia and the situation in the world as a whole. But this expansion is in the interests of the United States. And every normal state cares about its interests. Therefore, I can not blame the US for expanding NATO.I do not like it, it makes me angry, but this is what you should expect from the state.

    What infuriates me in this story is when this expansion begins to be covered with a fig leaf of slogans about defending democracy, when they start to argue that this expansion does not threaten Russia and the like. And people who start playing the same game are annoyed.

    Tell me honestly - in pursuit of immediate profits, America is interested in a weakened Russia that does not have political influence. And I have nothing to object to this. Well, except that in the long term, cooperation is always more beneficial than confrontation :)
     
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    From what it looks like most of the US Media hates Russia. The media is made up of 90%+ Democrats but also some Republicans such as Lindsey Graham and John McCain don't like your country.
     
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    Nowadays, there is no independent media anywhere. The media always fulfill someone's order. Or their owners (did anyone see the media without commerce?), Or at least the target audience. And if the media are not independent, they always say what is needed, not what is really happening.

    For this purpose, it is not even necessary to lie (although many, at times, drop to the level of a manifest lie). As the Russian science-fiction writer Sergei Lukyanenko said: "There is so much truth in the world that lies are simply not needed."
     
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    Your post is classic Russian paranoia. the expansion of NATO exist really for only one reason and that's the expansion of the Soviet Union / Russia. Putin's saber-rattling is seen in the west as aggression and a threat but both and aggression and a threat he can do little about given Russia's current military state. Trying to search that America is simply interested in short-term profits is contrary to the historic record. When you look at the Marshall Plan in Europe after World War 2 and and the support we gave Japan after World War II the United States foreign policy is yes interested in our profits but it's also interested in the prosperity of those that we work with. Russia has a long history of shooting itself in the foot from the czar's to the Soviets and now too putin. Russia could be so much more if it weren't for the kleptocracy.
     
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    OK. Do you want to believe in this - I'm powerless. This is your Faith.
     
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    Gazis (global socialist) control NATO and hate Russia. They might attack, they can justify any action, and they have armies of brainwashed drones to defend them and distribute their political narratives/propaganda. If Hillary would of won, we might be at war with Russia now, but the Gazis (global socialist) lost and now America seems to be withdrawing from collective.
     
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    Returning to the sudden topic of the terrorist attack in the St. Petersburg metro. They write that the bomb was disguised as a fire extinguisher.
     
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    The good news is many Americans dont believe everything we hear in the media. If we did we would all believe that Vladimir Putin is Hitler. That is what some in my media want us to believe about your leader. I don't think he is Hitler. But perhaps you would know better than any of us. Is your president a brutal fascist dictator like Hitler?
     

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