Point of view. A look from the other side.

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  1. Balancer

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    Maybe. But I think the point is that the teams there are not national. Therefore, it is impossible to strike Russia through political influence. Therefore, the political interest is much less.
     
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    The most shameful thing about sports politics is a blow to the Russian Paralympic athletes. This is the complete disgrace of the international Olympic movement.

    Now they were forbidden to perform even under a neutral flag. Immediately one can see the price of all this Western "care for people with disabilities."

     
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    Attacking the Ukraine scared hell out of the Germans among others so you got sanctions. To my mind sanctions never solve anything they just kick the can down the road and piss people off. All of this can in some regards be traced back to the Stalin's Idea that if you export enough Russians into a foreign country it will eventually become Russian. It may have worked in Belarus though that remains to be seen but there are just to many centuries of antipathy, to put it mildly, between The Ukraine and Russia.
     
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    Can you give me examples when this method worked? In what cases did Russia seize the territory through saturation with the Russian population?

    Crimea or Donbass as an example do not suit, because they have always been Russian by population, even if formally belonged not to Russia.

    What other examples?
     
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    Hay balancer don't waste too much time on that link below. The Washington Post is a well-known fake news organization in my country. They post nothing but lies reading their website is a waste of time.
     
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    This is what my country is accused of. But not what my country does :) Although you can still believe that my country is so strong, and America is so weak. This is far from the truth, but it's even nice to hear Russian :)
     
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    It's amazing to see such an article from the Daily Mail:

    Why did the liberals care more about four dead in London than 14 dead in St Petersburg? Or do they hate Putin so much that Russians don't count?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...KINS-Don-t-liberals-care-Russian-victims.html

    In fact, I believe that Western people treat tragedy in Russia with less attention than with their tragedies - this is normal. Russia is quite a distant country for the West and therefore, it is obvious that the terrorist attacks in Europe in the West are being carried over more painfully than the terrorist attacks in Russia. For example, in Russia, the terrorist act in the St. Petersburg metro also causes more resonance than the terrorist attack in Turkey or Nigeria.

    It's more interesting here. The attitude of Russian liberals. They, as a rule, are hotly traumatized in the countries of the West, but tragedies in Russia are often simply rejoicing. This, I think, is completely abnormal. And this once again additionally explains why in Russia so do not like liberals.
     
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    American liberals couldn't care less about this attack. They want war with Russia anyway
     
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    Remember the man whom the media mistakenly accused of the explosion in the St. Petersburg metro?

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    Despite the fact that it was almost immediately revealed that he had nothing to do with the explosion, he was in trouble. At first he could not fly by plane from St. Petersburg to Moscow. The passengers demanded that he be removed from the flight. And now - the next news. He was fired from his job.

    I wonder if anyone tried to count all the people who somehow suffered from a lie in the media? If you think about it, even the murder of Russian Ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov is also a consequence of unjustified hysteria in the media, this time against Russia.
     
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    Crimea had been Russian since they rested it away from Turkey 2 or 3 centuries back. Stalin transferred it to Ukraine in the late forties early fifties. I didn't say it was a good idea or that it worked well, Belarus is the only place that even looks like it might. In fact about the only good idea I can find of Stalin's is to let Zhukov do most of the planning and fighting in the Great Patriotic War. By the way it will surprise you how many people this side of the world won't know what that is.
     
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    Yea...I'm sure you put more stock in RT and Sputnk than you do with the Washington Post.

    Of course there's no question that Balancer does.

    I almost feel like I have a direct line to Putin when he posts
     
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    RT is like the Breitbart of Russia. I do enjoy Breitbart, but I'm not Russian so I don't pay any attention to RT.

    You liberals need to knock it off with this Russia phobia. Our two countries would be best served if we cooperate with one another and form an alliance wherever possible.

    Our two countries have a lot in common. We are both Christian nations with a large majority of conservative people.
     
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    I wrote in the title of the topic that this view from the other side :) You are used to seeing everything only on the one hand. But there are more than one side ...
     
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    You do and don't even realize it. A good portion of what garbage you get from Breitbart COMES from RT.

    And Russia is engaged in an asymmetrical war against us and people like you make it easy for them
     
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    No really. It's interesting to hear what Putin thinks
     
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    You're appealing to a liberal? Liberals are notorious fair weather friends. Saying Russians are largely conservatives certainly won't win you many friends either. Sorry, but the Dems are running out people to demonize for their own failures.
     
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    It's very simple and logical. My opinion differs little from the opinion of the majority of Russians. And 80% of Russians support Putin's decisions. So it's no surprise that in my words and words of Putin you see a lot of similarities. Although, of course, what Putin thinks about, or you can not know :) He, in general, is not very inclined to show his thoughts.
     
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    Holy **** man tone down the paranoia

     
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    In Russia, there are also many people who believe that our countries are at war. I have a Russian-language political forum, comparable in popularity to PF, and I constantly have to upset the brazen extremists of both sides. Because of what some people consider me as a liberated American, and others as an unthinking Russian patriot (in the abusive sense, I do not know how to translate exactly into English :D ).
     
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    A war with Russia would be unfortunate. I don't want a war with Russia. I respect you guys more than most European countries at this point.

    Hey man I have a question for you it's a little off topic. But is it true that Vladimir Putin kicked all the Jewish Bankers out of your country? If so that would explain why all the powerful Jewish people in my country hate him so much.
     
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    I dont know. In recent years, there has been a lot of redistribution of banks in Russia.But I do not know about the influence of the Jews on them. Formally, they all have a specific and often known leadership that has nothing to do with Jews. Is there any other hidden control - I do not know :)

    I can only say that to Jews in Russia today is one of the most tolerant in Europe relations. At least recently, one of the Israeli politicians claimed this. In Europe and the United States from time to time someone arranges pogroms of Jewish cemeteries or synagogues. In Russia, this is less common. Jews dressed in national clothes quietly walk the streets, my daughter's school class has twice visited the Jewish Museum of Tolerance in Moscow. And personally I somehow do not see a problem in Jews. Of course, I'm talking about ordinary people. I sincerely regret that we and Israel are so often at variance in opinion - there are more than a quarter of the population coming from Russia :)

    In general, if in the banking sector some phenomena were connected with the Jews, I did not hear about it.

    And, here, for example, Georges Soros, obviously, is very angry with Russia. He invested a lot of money in his influence on Russia, but they all turned out to be in vain.Although I myself still remember a recent time when getting a grant from Soros was considered very prestigious :)
     
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    Another problem related to the growing religiosity of some Russians. The girl was getting tired of work. But when the employer found out about her cosplay under Darth Maul, she refused to work, citing the fact that such images are not suitable for the orthodox views of the employer.

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    I once wrote on forum that many in Russia, even having the opportunity to go to the US, do not want to do this, because they think that in Russia it's better. Moreover, I have friends who have lived in the USA, Canada, Europe for many years and then returned to Russia. For example, my friend lived 4 years in America, 7 years in Canada, received Canadian citizenship, but a few years ago he returned to Russia. In my opinion, my words aroused sincere surprise then :) But the dialogue drowned in a great flame and had no continuation. And the quality of the machine translator was much worse then.

    I'll try to explain this with examples.

    I by no means try to assert that in Russia it is better to live. Or live better in the USA. Living in both countries has both its pluses and minuses. I know a lot of advantages of living in the USA. But here are some cons that I will not be allowed to leave there from Russia :) Maybe I'm wrong somewhere, maybe I'm exaggerating something, but this is what I see from abroad.

    There are many things that I do not think about in Russia, but I have to constantly think about and keep myself under control in America.

    For example, a teenage girl rides a bicycle and falls. In Russia, I immediately run and help her, without thinking. In the United States, I'll have to puzzle over whether they will sue me for sexual harassment.

    In Russia, I can run down the street wearing headphones and listen to music without fearing that a policeman will shoot me. In Russia, in general, police officers almost never shoot people first.

    Here I can walk in a completely unfamiliar area, without fear that I'll get into some kind of "black ghetto". Yes, in Russia there are criminal unfavorable regions, but they are not nearly comparable in danger to the criminal regions of America.

    I know that whatever problems I have with the work were not, but I get free medical help.Yes, its quality may be lower than that of expensive commercial medical care in the US, but it is always guaranteed.

    All my children will receive a good free school education and, if they are not completely clinical fools, will receive a free higher education.

    My wife after the birth of a child can be with him at home until three years. Not going to work and getting paid.

    Juvenile justice is a terrible word. I'm scared to read about the ease with which the US can take children from their parents.

    In Russia, I can be sure that I will not break off with lawyers. That I will not be sued for complimenting a woman. That the bank will not throw me out on the street for debts ...

    In Russia, I do not have to look for natural foods that are not stuffed with antibiotics.

    I think that there are so many more such trifles than I think. And for a long time I will have to live like in a minefield :) Someone gets used to it, it's rebuilt. I have many friends who live happily in the US and are not going to leave. But not everyone can adapt successfully.

    In general, me and people like me are much simpler, more familiar, safer and happier to live here, where we were born and grew up :)
     
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    So what we have here is an RT propaganda column
     

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