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These are not major issues it just would be nice to understand what the heck someone is talking about.

 

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You're welcome. Please stay on topic. Thanks. Kvetching is not being on topic.

 

I hardly believe this has anything to do with oil But all to do with the detainee's involvement with apposing forces,

He is abroad and accused as a combatant, POW are going to be handled far differently then a say a non aggressive American civilian! At this point it's simply a grand standing of the ACLU and the Huffy Puffy and clearly it has drawn the desired attention it was designed to!

To be honest, who give s a crap about this idiot, If you're going to make a statement by taking a side against your own country then don't expect the same rights patriots deserve and enjoy, POW's are a military matter not a civil matter!

 

Your badly spelled word is in the thread title.

 

It's spelled as intended. Now do you have anything you actually want to discuss? If not you're trolling.

 

Why do you intend to spell it that way?

 

Any American who cares about the principles this nation was founded on.

There is no exception in the Bill of Rights for anyone, regardless of background or ideology. If we can expect everyone to be protected by the Bill of Rights, we don't have one. In that case, this government no longer serves us and must be dealt with in accordance with the principles established by our founding document, the Declaration of Independence.

His status is a question of law, it has not yet been established by the court as far as I know. Regardless, see prior.

 

Kindly quote the language in Section 215 which grants this exemption.

That's hard to feature, given the very first proviso in Sec. 215.

The problem being...?

That's as far into your post as I'm going just now; and if you respond with another C&P avalanche, don't be surprised if I ignore it.

 

Correction.

 

No worries.

 

Nope, he "Currently" suspected of being a combatant and associated with terrorist.. You, the Huffy Puffy and the ACLU would like to keep this rhetoric alive but none of you have a leg to stand on. As an American citizen you have some responsibility to your country, military, it's laws and it's people. If this person "IS" found to be associated and collaborating with the enemy then he is guilty of war crimes like any other militant or terrorist from another country or military force..

What the Huffy Puffy reported is pretty clear.

Remember, he was taken into custody in mid September, at the time of this article it was only 11/30, less than 90 day, so what is the reasonable amount of time to be temporary? Then you have the Gov explaining the accused has had two visits in that "90" day where at each one he could have asked the ICRC to have his family provide a lawyer. Ah but the accused, claims he doesn't have ANY family he would want exposed Clearly sounds like a man with nothing to hide

I think many people, including yourself and the Huffy Puffy fail to realize the scope of this story! Might be less embarrassing to simply let the military sort it out and maybe save the tax payers millions of dollars protecting a terrorist that would see them dead!

 

Nothing you posted changes anything I posted. It also doesn't change what the judge ordered which is fully within the constraints of the Bill of Rights and its due process mandates.

 

Thanks, I'll take this to mean that like everyone else I've seen caterwauling over the "unconstitutionality" of the Patriot Act over the last decade or so, you've never laid eyes on it.

 

No, not if you renounce your citizenship.

 

I dunno? How do we know he was fighting for ISIS? I take it that isn't even in question. It's the premise to the story isn't it?

 

I know that we waterboarded a couple of terrorists, and that terrorists murder and torture Christians, Jews and other Muslims. What else to I have to know? We are a morally, philosophically and societally superior to the Muslim world and more advanced that any of them in every way. Yet, you seem to favor them over us. Perhaps you should learn more about what type of people and societies Muslim are. Educate yourself.

 

Why not? You already effectively claimed you'd ignore whatever you disagree with.

As for me, I'm against authoritarians regardless of political affiliation. You may be happy to hand over full control to an all powerful government, but, like our Founders, I'm leery of trusting big government with so much power. It can be too easily abused.

 

Torturing prisoners is morally deplorable, not morally superior. There's a reason why most of our military leaders were against the practice.

 

WE didn't waterboard anyone, the CIA and US government contractors did. Unless perhaps you did, I certainly didn't. They also didn't waterboard anyone tried and convicted of terrorism prior to waterboarding them. They waterboarded and otherwise destroyed innocent people absent due process. But even if they waterboarded those convicted of a crime, it is a violation of the Constitution. Everyone is innocent unless and until proven guilty by a valid court of law. That's basic to English common law and basic to American justice. Waterboarding is unconstitutional because it violates every treaty that the US is a signatory to that mentions war crimes, including but not limited to the Nuremburg Principles and the Geneva Convention. All treaties are part of the Constitution under the Supremacy Clause.

Yes I know and agree that some do. The US government, including the CIA and other US government contractors who committed war crimes are terrorists. Anyone who commits the above are terrorists, including Ted Bundy.

Plenty, obviously.

Who is "we"?

I favor good over evil, regardless of background. There is nothing good about war crimes, it's as evil as any individual sociopath.

You imply you're a racist then and as such, morally and intellectually superior. That's quite an oxymoron. One who doesn't understand the basic premise of due process and the purpose of the Bill of Rights, yet implies self superiority, should not be advising anyone about education.

"Someone who does not know the difference between good and evil is worth nothing." - Miecyslaw Kasprzyk, Polish rescuer of Jews during the Holocaust, New York Times, January 30, 2005

 

I must have missed that survey of military leaders. In the US, we don't torture. But if we did, personally, I wouldn't mind one bit. Frankly, terrorists in my opinion are not subject to the Geneva Convention and deserve a summary military trial and swift execution by hanging or firing squad. That might serve as a deterrent to would be terrorists who are thinking of taking up that career.

 

Of course you have a trial and execution after you water board terrorists. It's no use water boarding them after you've executed them. Whoever does it is no concern of mine, as long as we get the job done.

Waterboarding is for terrorists who don't have Constitutional rights. The Geneva Convention doesn't apply to terrorists and specifically says so. Treaties are not a "part of the Constitution". Treaties have to be approved by the Senate, but that doesn't make them a law or an American Law.

Yeah, some do. The CIA and the government do not commit war crimes and are not terrorists. But once again, you are showing your biased hatred of America and the American people.

You seem to have an affinity towards Muslims especially evil Muslims as you keep making excuses for them. You want to give Muslim terrorists rights. When did I say I'm a racist? Or are you calling me a racist? I hope not, that is against forum rules. Besides, I'm Mexican, I can't be racist. I fully understand due process and The Bill of Rights and I understand they apply to Americans, not terrorists, something you haven't quite figure out yet.

The quote about the rescuer of Jews is interesting in light of the fact that you keep defending Muslims who hate Jews and want them all dead. It's also funny in that you don't know the difference between the good and the evil.

 

Innocent Americans with the choice, jump to their death or burn up alive. I really don't care if the folks who did this to us were skeered they were going to drown while waterboarded. I just don't care, they made their choices, they'll have to live with them but at least they'll live. The folks above had no choice but to die either way.

 

Not according to the article. This isn't a 'story' with a 'premise'. It's an actual, real, factual occurrence. How was this guy captured? What was he doing at the time? How did he even come to be in Iraq, all unanswered questions without at least some form of due process.

 

What the loop holes in 'regular' due process. In fact, how do you even HAVE loop holes in due process?

 

Only a dummy takes prisoners during war. So the fools that captured this guy are dummies.