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POLITICS 11/30/2017 01:42 pm ET Updated Nov 30, 2017 Federal Judge Slams Trump Administration’s ‘Ci

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  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    I only wish it was a fantasy world. As evidenced by the article I first posted, it is a very real world. And what goes on in the real world of Amerika is what the article I first posted describes what goes on.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    If you read the article, it has nothing to do with any exception to the Bill of Rights.

    Whether that's true or not has nothing to do with this issue. Regardless, there are no exceptions to protecting and defending the US Constitution. Accusers don't get to decide guilty or not guilty, read the Edward R. Morrow quote. If they did, this would be no better than any banana republic.
     
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  3. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    The bill of rights doesn't apply to foreign nationals



    It doesn't apply to non citizens.
     
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    Your article mentions someone imprisoned that was fighting for terrorists. So what?
     
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  5. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Whether that's true or not, this is not about foreign nationals or non-citizens. Go back and read the article for comprehension.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    If you have nothing relevant to post with respect to this OP, there is no point to posting anything here, right?
     
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  7. Polydectes

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    If he renounced his citizenship and if That means he isn't a citizen yes we are talking about non citizens.

    Practice what you preach.
     
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  8. Bob0627

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    Sorry, you either failed to read the article or didn't understand it.

    This isn't about me or what I allegedly preach or not, this is about the article I posted and its ramifications. Try again if you must.
     
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    Yet when Obama dropped a bomb on an American who did the same thing, he was bashed by the right. Go figure.
     
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  10. rcfoolinca288

    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    delete
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then it should be easy to present evidence that he is an ISIS fighter and charge him with treason. The government haven't done so. Until then, he have the right to counsel. Funny how y'all complained about Moore not getting a fair shake yet y'all turn around and convicted this man based on allegations. Pot meet Kettle.
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And until he is proven to be an ISIS fighter, he haven't renounced a thing.
     
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    Bullshit. If he renounced his citizenship, it doesn't matter what you do.
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please kindly point to me where in the article did it say he renounced his citizenship. Thank you.
     
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    I have no idea the party makeup of that Jury, nor do you - just like the OJ or Zimmerman jury, sometimes I think they got it wrong
     
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    If you are fighting for the Islamic State its implied.
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, shyt, isn't that what we are discussing here?? IF?? Why are you and the rest of the folks here ready to dump this guy even though the government have not present it's evidence to prove that he is an ISIS fighter? If the evidence is there, then charge him with treason, bring him in front of a military tribunal, and if found guilty, be summarily executed. But that ain't happening, why??

    Note, You are doing the very same thing you accuse the other side with respect to Roy Moore.
     
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    You're right I don't know for sure.

    But given the State, the city, the judge, and the defense council, and of course the verdict, I can be reasonable sure that the near absolute majority of those seated in the jury box were Left leaning and likely far left at that.
     
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    Wow. Just - wow.
    No - the Constitution does not say that. The Constitution does not identify triggering events that result in the loss of Constitutional rights.
    What you are suggesting is to give up this man's Liberty (i.e. the protection of the Constitution) in order to purchase a little Safety (i.e. locking this guy away without due process). Someone said that that is not a good tradeoff. I think it might have been Ben Franklin. Oh wait. You should know that. It is in your signature line:
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --- Benjamin Franklin
    It is really funny how so many people try to pick and choose the parts of the Constitution they like and ignore the others. Anyone who claims to be a strict constitutionalist should be outraged at this behaviour by the government.
    Condemning the government for denying him his constitutional rights does not mean you are supporting his actions. It is possible to condemn his actions and also condemn the way the government is dealing with him.

    Short question for you, MolonLabe: Do you believe the government should respect all constitutional rights all the time?
     
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    Moore wasn't digging for the Islamic State.
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I figured you would ignore the comparison.

    Please show evidence this guy was "digging" as you've put it, for ISIS.
     
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    Sen McCain, it is not about who they are, it is about who we are!!!
     
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    I never bashed him for killing that terrorist whatshisname. (Khaled sheik Mohamed I guess?) Yabba Dabba Du. Same for him, fight with the enemy, you don't have civil rights, you're an expatriate.
     
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