President speaks on Obamacare...

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  1. bomac

    bomac New Member Past Donor

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    Yes, the ACA DOES allow grandfathering. But I am not sure how long your insurer can continue to offer you this plan without raising premiums and/or co-pays. You need to be prepared to share in the costs of others like the rest of us do.

    You have not said whether your plan is through your employer or an individual plan.

    Sorry, I am not the claiming that "millions" are losing their coverage. But plans are being dropped because they do not meet the benefits level of ACA. If any plan from 2010 does not meet the grandfathering provision and does not meet the benefits level, they will be dropped.
     
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    bomac New Member Past Donor

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    When people do not know any of the data behind the talking points, they shouldn't use them. There are many talking points that distort the facts like death panels or Obama is a Muslim".

    The very last person that I would worry about is BVWC.
     
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    thintheherd New Member

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    Exactly one year. Then authoritarianism takes over. Forced exchange, 52% increase in premium, and about a 140% increase in deductible. F-that.

    F-that too. Failure on their part to plan does not constitute an emergency on mine.

    Employer provided benefits are for suckers.

    Of course this has no relevance to my reply whatsoever.
     
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    thintheherd New Member

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    Neither of those are talking points. The are conjecture. The post you responded to had validity. Your attempt to discredit with crass partisan clap trap failed miserably.

    Perhaps you should have worried about Dutch. That video pwn3d.
     
  5. bomac

    bomac New Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, ain't it great. Everyone sharing in the costs for the sickest.

    Well, I guess that you do not know the purpose of health insurance. Lee Atwater probably had good insurance but he ended up with serious brain cancer. He ended up broke and there were fundraising events to pay his bills.

    Nobody can prepare completely for a serious illness. That is why we all have to share in the costs of the sickest. Not everyone has rich friends to help with the bills.

    I really am getting tired of people who believe that they have no responsibility for others. That is sooo 19th century.
     
  6. SerenityJH77

    SerenityJH77 New Member

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    This should be fairly easily settled. Please provide me with a valid link to the names of the Republicans that voted yes for the ACA in House and Senate in the original vote 2009/2010. Also can you provide a link with the official time and date that it was passed? If these are false statements, please provide proof, and I will immediately stop using them.
     
  7. SerenityJH77

    SerenityJH77 New Member

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    Allow me, since I know you will simply ignore that request. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...21/AR2010032100943_2.html?sid=ST2010032201830

    "House Democrats scored a historic victory in the century-long battle to reform the nation's health-care system late Sunday night, winning final approval of legislation that expands coverage to 32 million people and attempts to contain spiraling costs.The House voted 219 to 212 to approve the measure, with every Republican voting no. The measure now awaits President Obama's signature. "Today we have the opportunity to complete the great unfinished business of our society and pass health insurance reform for all Americans as a right, not a privilege," Pelosi said before the House approved the bill, which first passed the Senate on Christmas Eve."

    The Dems, who refused to meet on a weekend to debate on a possible fix for the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT being shut down....Met at night, on a weekend, and ON CHRISTMAS EVE.
    You know you have a point. I need to add that it was also Christmas Eve to my demonstration of how desperate Dems were to sneak this socialist garbage by the people's representatives. Thanks for making me do that little refresher, well done. :)
     
  8. thintheherd

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    I hope you are as cheerful when the economy tanks due to the sharp reduction in disposable income.

    What a silly statement. As though I do not understand that insurance rates are calculated so that an insurance company can remain solvent. A balance of rate revenue v. benefit payouts.

    You're naivete' is astounding in that you assume that insurance exists so that those who pay premiums do so only that those who do not are provided funds. You have obviously mistaken private insurance with government (read: taxpayer) provided health care.

    No, THAT is why we have insurance (derp)

    Hope you are not too tired to explain why it is that you believe that any individual, possessing freedom and free will, must be forced to be responsible for another human being against their choice by an authoritative entity.

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  9. bomac

    bomac New Member Past Donor

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    Old talking points can be correct but they still mean nothing except that it is own news. I think that there were over 100 amendments by the GOP and they were act every markup. They never took on the health care problem except to add $50b to the cost every year. And they do not offer a replacement now.
     
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    bomac New Member Past Donor

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    No problem. From its beginning, the U S has taken care of some of the groups in need. In today's society, we have decided to take care of more who need help. The sickest do need our help and, if you live in our society, you have a responsibility to pay your share. If you want to live off the grid or move to another county, that would be fine. While living here, you are supposed to pay what the rest of us pay. It has been proven that Charity was not enough and that was why social programs were set up. When you have brain cancer I will be paying a share of your costs. So when I have brain cancer, you must pay a share of my costs.

    BTW, do you follow traffic laws? The "authoritative entity" makes you do that.
     
  11. thintheherd

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    You failed to address the key component of my argument; force. Regardless of need, and entrenchment of said principal, what gives anyone the right to force an individual to share responsibility based on nothing more than someone else has a "need"?

    Sorry, no such thing has been proved and in no way was that the motivation for the installment of social programs of which you speak. They came about because of our governments failure in manipulating the economy and the subsequent bellyaching from those that begged to be taken care of.

    Analogy fail. I CHOOSE to use public roads, therefore, I abide by the rules set by the owners of the same. Of which I am one, and thus, demand that others abide by my rules when using my utility.

    On the other hand, my health and health care is MINE and MY responsibility. There are no other players in that responsibility any more than a supposed "shared" responsibility for the health of the vehicle I use to transverse the aforementioned roads.

    One in your position might want to be honest with yourself and admit that you understand that many lack the intestinal fortitude to better their situation and would rather someone else pay for their oil changes.
     
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    That comment makes no sense. And as usual, you provide zero proof for your nonsensicalness.
     
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    Funny to listen to so called conservatives proclaim their recently discovered outrage about cancelled medical insurance plans. For many years Republicans were strangely silent about all the millions of Americans who lost medical insurance. I guess no one knew how concerned Republicans were about that because they just sort of kept it to themselves.
     
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    It also could have been better if he tried to resolve the problems as opposed to using each problem as a way to force redistribution and social democracy down Americans' throats.
     

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