What planet are you on? The republicans had NOTHING to do with Obama lying, making promises he cannot keep, the colossal failure of the rollout, or the gamble on the youth to subsidise the old. Nothing. That was all Obama. Did you not WATCH him tell you that this was HIS failure? That it was HIS doing? 56 minutes of him trying to claim accountability... and you are arguing the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing republicans did it? Obama and democrats are tanking... because they own this 100%.
You might want to go here and come back and tell us whose numbers are tanking. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/generic_congressional_vote-2170.html I am interested who told you it was the Republican numbers that are tanking? What news source is reporting that? So you want to go on record here saying the Republicans have offered no solutions, have made no proposals? What actions and how have they been damaging?
we did not get a public option, we got the exchange, you know companies in the free market, though many would like the choice of a public option
Abso-freaking-lutely NOT. Get the entire Gov't the HELL out of it. It has no business there in the first place. It should be solely a private sector enterprise. As should most things. Only Gov't agencies are allowed to completely screw things up beyond comprehension, at a cost 10 times what it SHOULD cost...and still EXIST. If we choose to subsidize low income people to purchase health care, so be it. But them RUNNING anything that so directly affects peoples lives, to me is the most asinine concept I can fathom.
Apparently I was unclear. GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF HEALTHCARE. All of it. Under Bush Medicaid (which is what we were talking about) was still around and as horrid as ever. And their increased involvement and ever decreasing reimbursements are a HUGE contributing factor to the climb of rates overall. As well as the DECLINE of overall quality in all non specialty areas of medicine (which is actually the MAJORITY of medicine). I want them having nearly NOTHING to do with delivery of healthcare or insurance. Including Medicare/Medicaid. I am all for subsidies..that people can use to purchase what they want..in the free market (not government run exchanges) where there is true competition and no more government set low reimbursements.
non-government was worse http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/business/26walmart.ready.html?pagewanted=all "Wal-Mart executives said the memo was part of an effort to rein in benefit costs, which to Wall Street's dismay have soared by 15 percent a year on average since 2002. Like much of corporate America, Wal-Mart has been squeezed by soaring health costs. The proposed plan, if approved, would save the company more than $1 billion a year by 2011." "Ms. Chambers acknowledged that 46 percent of the children of Wal-Mart's 1.33 million United States employees were uninsured or on Medicaid." rising health care costs were killing the free market... .
Oh. OK. Since you said so of course I believe you. Wait...no...So, I'm sure you have some valid statistical data to prove that the economic well being of pre-1960's medicine was "worse"? (Understanding that the comparison is all but impossible to make, as the advances in medicine are astronomical and everything about it is completely different than in the 50's) There is NO true free market while G'ovt has its meddlesome paws in ANY part of it. Maybe that's the part you don't get. MEDICAID SUCKS. They INVENTED capped reimbursement. They decided they did not want to pay what docs were charging, and so decided Medicare will only pay about 20-30 cents to every dollar billed. That number has been cut several times (and again with CACA). Now if suddenly 50% of the population(on Medicaid) are only paying less than a third of their bills...what do you think happens to prices order to recomp losses?? Prices go up for everyone, for one. And providers are forced to triple the number of patients seen, for another. Now..when you used to get about 20 mins to see your provider..now you have about 4-6 mins to see an absolutely ragged provider who hasn't eaten in 12 hours. So explain to me how exactly that works BETTER?
That's what this little animated guy is for - to drive liberals nuts. Apparently, it's working ... Look, this president will go down in history as the biggest political shock United States had ever experienced, and voters will think trice about electing someone who's even remains them of Obama. Obamacare will not work. ACA will not work either - it is such a kinetic, unstable structure, you change one little part of it, some other parts come tumbling down. We already see it happening. Obama is also responsible for the destruction of American institutions we see is happening before our own eyes. No other administration had ever been marred by so many scandals, and there's still few years left to create some new ones. I mean, IRS, NSA, Fast & Furious, (*)(*)(*)(*)ing WEBSITE, Lies on keeping one's insurance, MIDDLE EAST fiasco, Benghazi, Secret Service, it all happened on Obama's watch. I do not even remember all of them. Should I even mention his fake original birth certificate? Keep propping up your moron of the White House. It's the dirty job, but I guess, someone has to do it
You were responsible for me almost chocking on my morning english muffin... apparently, one must be careful with what he's doing nowadays, while browsing PF...
I don't get the joke. - - - Updated - - - Why do a lot of people keep saying that Obama lied? He didn't lie. He's giving lower taxes to Americans.
Obamacare is a new tax. Obama never promised lower taxes, he promised you could keep your plan/doctor no matter what, when it was clear it was the case. He made these claims dozens of times. I do not understand what you are getting at.
ObamaCare/ACA can't work in America. We are too internally resistant to socialism. Even if people aren't thinking ideology they are thinking workarounds to government "diktat."
The problems with medicine are worldwide in scope and go far beyond anything ObamaCare, or any other system based on insurance can really handle. Let me explain. In the case of most development, technology drives costs down and productivity up. In medicine it's quite the opposite. The more sophisticated, the more costly. And the problem is that the generally "benefit" (more on why that's in quotes later) the sickest and oldest people. Let me give my own mother as an example. In June 2008 she was diagnosed with uterine cancer. She was almost 76 at the time. She had a hysterectomy, followed by chemotherapy that autumn, followed by radiation. In between, her chemo-weakened ankle broke and she spent the end of December and first half of January in the hospital and in rehabilitation. The cancer recurred during December 2011. She had more surgery in January 2012, followed by 2 weeks of rehabilitation, followed by more chemotherapy. All in all she was under treatment from December 2011 to August 2012. Her growing disorientation, whether from age-related dementia or chemo-related dementia (called in slang "chemo-brain" has necessitated round-the-clock supervision. Fortunately for me her long-term health care is paying for most of this. Other insurance paid for all the medical services. I estimate that all this care cost over $1,000,000.00. The result; a partially demented 81 year old. Another example. A close friend's wife, age 50 at the time, developed a cancer that was a cross between pancreatic and colorectal during June 2004. She died in early January 2007. While there were moments of hope, basically she and everyone around her was in agony for 2 1/2 years. The result; dead patient and about $2,000,000 of insurance money spent. No societal productivity gained in either situation. Another issue is "insurance" for routine medical visits. I had a stye in my eye last year, and the procedure cost me nothing. If I had to lay out $100-$200 it wouldn't have broken my heart or my wallet. My vote would be to go back to earlier models where not everyone has insurance and there were high deductibles and relatively low coverage. There is nothing that any politician can remotely fix since no one is going to vote the necessary taxes in this country. Obama is at heart a socialist and as I said in my last post, presumably just above, it goes against America's grain to have a centralized, socialist system.
why don't we offer a public option and let the people decide, why are conservatives so afraid to let the people decide for themselves?
So, from signature legislation Obamacare to a faceless Affordable Care Act, to a Republican CongressCare? You Liberals never cease to amuse
Single payer system is UnAmerican, and will not work in United States. Once and IF we get enough welfare recipients, habitually unemployed, voting illegal immigrants and bleeding heart liberals to vote Single payer thru, the fundamental transformation of America into banana republic will be completed. Is that what you want?
The presidents democrats had a supermajority. STILL nothing to do with republicans. Democrats threatened to filibuster with if the PO was not removed. How do you believe the PO would help... other than eventually destructing into single payer, spreading the goal of socialism and mediocrity?
