Presumption of Legitimacy-Gay and Lesbian Parenting and their Rights

Actually, my ex sister in law has absolutely nothing to do with my views on gay rights. Thats just the strawman Gorn cant seem to let go of.

 

I'm not talking about your ex sister in law . I'm addressing your mistaken belief that a non biological gay parent figure cannot ever become the legal parent, although I'm sure that now you will deny having said that.

 

You first.



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No, it's just a "remarkable coincidence"....as are the numerous times dixon discusses lesbian couples and biological fathers. Strictly a "conincidence".

 

He's actually one of the few to ever discuss lesbians. Usually people here only target gay men and want to discuss how gross they think anal sex is (with other men, I can only assume they are not opposed to anal with their girlfriends if given the opportunity.) I think most of the people here gloss over lesbians because they have probably viewed their fair share of two women 'going at it', if you will, on the Internet.

 

But his arguments are not the usual "I hate them f*gs" and lurid descriptions of male-on-male anal sex. He's not one of the closeted types whose homophobia is merely self-loathing and guilt.

His agenda has always been the LEGAL aspect. And lots of comments about "procreation" and "single motherhood"....two things DIRECTLY linked to his "single mother" ex-sister-in-law, his brother, and the "procrated" nephews.

 

Sooooo you think it remarkable that I would discuss lesbian couples and biological fathers in a thread about gay and lesbian parenting and gay mariage???? And so speculate as to why I would. There is no need for such speculation.

 

Why are you using a strawman arguement?

 

What about the rights of the biological father? Why should some woman be considered the legal mother of a child, just because she's in a relationship with the childs adopted mother? Biological fathers who donate sperm should get the parental rights to their child.

 

Sam, where is the "straw"?

1. I can point to posters on this board whose OBSESSIVE hatred of gays, is quite obviously linked to their own homosexual inclinations...and guilt and self-loathing they have that they project outward.

2. dixon's arguments can be directly linked to his lesbian ex-sister-in-law, her girlfriend (and potential wife), his nephews, and his brother's status as biological father. All linked to his arguments on "procreation"...."single motherhood"...."legal status of fathers"....etc.

What's the "straw" exactly????

 

How do you know those posters hate gays because they are gay themselves? Why are you calling them "obsessive"?

Dixon said his personal family problems have nothing to do with his views on gay rights. And I agree with Dixon. Why should a father lose his parental custody rights to his child, just because two lesbians want to adopt a kid together? According to studies, gay adoption is harmful.

 

He should not and probably will not lose his parental rights because he has already established them. If anything if two women marry the new wife will become a step-mother to the child in a case like this.

But in the case of two women marrying before having children and then proceeding with invitro fertilization because of their marriage any child born into it will presumably be theirs and they both will be legal parents to the child born.

Please post these studies.

 

Does that mean that the child has 3 parents, from a legal perspective?

http://cupofjoe.goodfight.org/?p=209#more-209

 

I guess so. I had 3 parents growing up. I had my biological dad, my biological mom and my step-dad.

That's a blog Sam, not a peer reviewed Scientific study.

 

What exactly is Dixon arguing? Is he arguing that the two women shouldnt have custody, or that all 3 should have custody?

For the sake of arguement, assume the blog is true. what would your counterarguements be?

 

I couldn't say. His arguments make no sense to me, he has admitted to being off-topic on purpose and he repeatedly builds strawman instead of arguing within the scope of the discussion. So I honestly don't know.

I really don't care to argue for the sake of arguing but here is the counter argument to the so-called Scientific study Psychologist Tracey Hansen wrote (which is really just an opinion piece as there is no Science to back it up.)

http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.c...encefree-antigay-article-by-dr-trayce-hansen/

 

YUP I've heard of her. Total fraud. Congratulations on your impending wedding. Maybe Dixon and Sam will attend as a couple!

 

Thanks and no, no, the guest list is limited to mostly family and some friends/co-workers. Not that I don't think of so many of you as friends, buuut space is limited and weddings ain't cheap! lol

 

actually according to studies, gay adoption is no worse and in fact sometimes better than straight parenting.

 

Sam. let me again try to educate you about something. Maybe Dixon will learn something also. No body is going to loose their parental rights just because someone else wants to adopt their child. Gay and lesbian people adopt children who are free for adoption. They may be available because the parent or parents are deceased. The parent of parents may have given the child up for adoption or parental rights may have been terminated by the state as a result of abuse or neglect. In order to terminate parental rights, the state must show clear and convincing evidence (that is a legal term....the highest standard in civil proceedings and just short of beyond a reasonable doubt used in criminal cases.) that doing so is in the child's best interest. Know what you talking about before speaking. And just what "studies" show that gay adoption is harmful? I've seen a few and they are all bovine excrement. I have placed children for adoption with gay people-children who were mistreated by their straight parents- and they are doing just fine.

 

A blog posting from over 6 years ago is hardly what I would call a compelling and up to date scientific piece of research on the subject, and I would be suspicious of her sources.

As to the assertion that gay parents produce more gay children, I think it's more likely that being raised in a same-sex household makes you less likely to remain in the closet if you happen to have non-heterosexual preferences because you have grown up seeing that there is no shame in being gay/lesbian. (yes, that's an ugly run-on sentence, please forgive me).

 

I think its more likely that if you have bisexual tendencies, you are less likely to choose to identify as heterosexual

 

SFJeff claims that if a married lesbian has sex with a man, becomes pregnant and gives birth to the child, the woman who gave birth and the woman she is married to are the parents, while the biological fathers rights are extinguished. WITHOUT even the need for an adoption.

 

Im not talking about adoption, I'm talking about artificial insemination situations.

How do you know the kids you placed for adoption are doing just fine? According to studies, gay adoption is harmful because kids adopted by gay couples are more likely to turn out gay. http://www.drtraycehansen.com/Pages/writings_prohomo.html

 

Maybe you'd like to actually take a stab at proving it?

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Oh look, a completely fabricated statement.

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Actually they're not.

 

How do you know theyre not?