Prison or a Pardon?

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Will Trump fight removal from office or voluntarily resign?

  1. He'll fight removal from office and should be prosecuted and sent to prison.

    60.0%
  2. He'll voluntarily resign for the benefit of the United States and should be pardoned.

    40.0%
  1. Crawdadr

    Crawdadr Well-Known Member

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    Well I do not believe he will be impeached. Not unless something really horrible comes to light and it can be proven. Of course if it happens then Pence becomes President and if the Democrats think they have issues now wait until they get a real conservative in office. Trump is willing to make deals on things Pence will be driven by ideology and he has the skills to succeed at it. By the end of his term they will be begging for Trump to come back as their minority slips even further and Pence rejoices in the conservative power structure he has created.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Liberals had best make sure they have all their ducks in a row. If they push for impeachment, and don't have the juice to pull it off, they're done for at least a decade or more. They won't get another shot regardless of what Trump does or doesn't do...

    Either way, half the GOP wouldn't really care if Trump left office, Pence is way more conservative, in truth I can't believe that liberals would rather have Pence than Trump. One fact that won't change, Hillary isn't and won't ever be in the White House, and that alone is worth more than any impeachment will ever be to liberals...
     
  3. TOG 6

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    Two things are clear:
    -The left is insane enough to tear the country apart in a driver for impeachment fueled by nothing but bigoted, partisan hate;
    -The left does not understand that the runner up - that is, Hillary - is not in the line of succession.
     
  4. Crawdadr

    Crawdadr Well-Known Member

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    I dont think Trump is guilty of anything worth impeachment but I will not cry over Trump leaving. But the Liberals will cry.
     
  5. OhZone

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    We do not have a "Democracy" and never did have. We are supposed to have a "Democratic Republic". However we currently are under Admiralty Law and getting our orders from Britain and the Rothschild bankers via Israel. There are no Nazis; there are Commies.

    The ones ruining the country are the Bolshevik Zionist Jews.
     
  6. Crawdadr

    Crawdadr Well-Known Member

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    Could you at least bring up a modern conspiracy theory? How about Aliens or something. Bolshevik Zionist Jews lol our great grandfathers want their BS back.
     
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    According to both sides impeachment would be a waste of congressional time.

    Trump detractors have already tried and convicted him so he needs to be sentenced according to his crimes.

    Trump supporters think there is nothing to see here so lets just move on.

    Impeachment is a waste of time. If there is enough evidence bring charges and let the justice system do its job.

    Keep in mind ... most of the news is opinion based on the information that backs the opinion and presented as fact.
     
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    You're probably right. But it won't work because we know we're right for the most part, and we will outlast them.
     
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    You left out 'unsubstantiated' before information.
     
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    According to the Democrats, perjury and obstruction do not rise to the level of an impeachable offense.
    Why would this change?
     
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    It would change if it was a Republican doing it, lol. No crime (not even war crimes) is an impeachable offense if no one in our pretend government wants to initiate impeachment proceedings.
     
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    Sally Yates was in the DOJ and the FBI had not referred a case for disposition.

    You just made a strong case for Sally Yates to go to prison for about 10 years... 7 years with good behavior. I agree !
     
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    The exact opposite is happening. The polls are showing that the Democrats are being looked at as a bunch of sore losers at best and criminal thugs at worst.

    Like I've said before, if the Russian hoax is thoroughly exposed as a fraudulent attempt to usurp Trump, the 2018 elections will likely turn into a train wreck for the Dems.

    I would guess that the Dems, the ones who know and understand the truth, would like to see nothing more than Mueller create a cash cow for himself and dwindle into nothingness.
     
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    Is someone crazy? He isn't going to be impeached, nor is he going to resign.
     
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-art-deal-apos-co-060917242.html

    Resigning before impeachment just because Trump can't stand the heat and then fabricating a "success story" where the resignation was all according to Trump's secret plan. Sounds very much like Trump and I can see this as a real possibility.
     
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    Truthfully the worst I see happening to Trump is a Bill Clinton "mild" impeachment where he isn't removed from office. I really don't see Trump ever resigning because his large ego just wouldn't let him do it and this trait of his reflects though everything else that he does.

    But I could be wrong and at this point I don't really care if Trump does end up getting removed from office legally so long as it doesn't get used to throw us into a war of some kind that is.
     
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    According to the Democrats, perjury and obstruction do not rise to the level of an impeachable offense.
    Why would this change?
     
  18. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Based upon history Democrats fight impeachment and removal from office and eventually win (Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton) while Republicans first fire those investigating them (Nixon fired Archibald Cox and Trump fired James Comey) and then cowardly resign when their abuse of power doesn't stop the impeachment (Nixon).
    Why would this change?

    Now that the stupidity is over is there something of relevance to be addressed?
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    The cases are not really as similar as some would like.

    Additionally Bill Clinton, that survived his scandal and impeachment, is very different from Donald Trump.

    Donald Trump can't do what Clinton did.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-follow-bill-clinton-scandal-playbook-090008648.html

    Bill Clinton focused on positive actions to benefit America as president that the public embraced and his approval rating soared. Donald Trump's actions have been highly negative and his approval rating is in a death spiral where only his supporters, that refuse to accept or even listen to any truthful condemnation of his actions, remain loyal to him. Trump made promises that he would never be able to fulfill because Trump has no idea about how to accomplish any of his promises. Trump, lacking any experience in governing, needed to focus all of his time on just learning how the be a president but instead is consumed by his scandals and completely ignoring learning how to be presidential in his actions. He continues to act like a spoiled five year old child whining about how "oppressed" he is and blaming everyone except himself for the scandals that are leaving the White House in chaos.

    Clinton rose above the scandals and Trump is consumed by his scandals. Trump isn't going to survive because he's incapable of dealing with the scrutiny of the press and the public that he never had to face while running his private little empire.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Partially true. Trump, driven by his malignant narcissistic personality disorder and his paranoid personality disorder is unlikely to be able to endure the on-going scandals of his administration. Trump's mental illness renders him incapable of dealing with actual impeachment and he will avoid it by resigning when impeachment becomes a real possibility. He'll pull a "Richard Nixon" to avoid the impeachment.

    Trump has already been rendered incapable of governing because he's consumed by rage with the on-going investigation and revelations of the investigations into his actions and the actions of members of his staff and former campaign members. The White House has been in complete chaos because of Donald Trump's mental illness and that's not going to get any better.
     
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    Unsurprisingly, you did not substantively address my question.
    I therefore accept your concession of the point.
     
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    The next ~4-8 years will be very difficult for you, I am happy to say.
     
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    I don't think the cases are similar, but I don't think Trump will be removed from office. I have said many times that if they really wanted him gone they would have complained about his breach of the war powers act back in April.

    I am going to give my two cents on the whole thing:

    Trump is the acting "Hillary" of the right and won't be removed from office guilty or not. I think a whole lot is interconnected and the only reason the media is pushing the Russia story is because they want a war with Russia indirectly as a proxy war with one of it's ally's or possibly even a direct conflict with Russia itself.

    Trump doesn't have to do as Bill Clinton did, he just has to fan the flames in such a way that it ends up destroying the media's credibility if they are wrong. Or if they are right all he has to do pull the Hillary card and claim something to the effect that he didn't know any better.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    If it was just about Trump violating the law and the Constitution then I agree. The Republicans don't give a damn about the law or the US Constitution. Their only concern is for the super-wealthy and their own political power.

    The problem for Trump is that he lives in the delusional world of narcissism and paranoia and his actions are jeopardizing the Republican agenda. The chaos he's creating in the White House and the negative media coverage his radical extremism to destroy the US government generates is killing the Republicans. Trump has created a ground-up resistance movement of virtually everyone that isn't a part of the small 25% of Americans that are Republicans. Before Republicans only had to worry about the Democrats but Trump has virtually all "non-Republicans" outraged over his actions as president and that's going to burn the Republicans that continue to support his insanity.

    While removal from office based upon the 25th Amendment is the correct way to go (i.e. Congress can create a panel of mental health experts that would, without any question, certify that Trump suffers from malignant narcissism and a paranoid personality disorder that makes him unfit to be president) it's far more likely that impeachment will be used to remove him.

    But I don't think that Trump can mentally handle impeachment and will resign if faced with that possibility.

    I'm not buying the conspiracy theory that the media is even interested in creating a conflict with Russia and the investigation into the Russian interference with our election is of the highest priority for both Republicans and Democrats which is why the media is pursuing it. Yes, the media is also focused on the possible Trump campaign involvement because there's considerable evidence that there was involvement.

    I don't know what you mean about Hillary Clinton pulling the "I didn't know any better" card. She was innocent when it came to having classified information on her private email account because none of the emails were identified as containing classified information nor did they contain any documents that were identified as being classified documents. All they had were statements that referred to classified information or that revealed classified information in error without any intent.

    The main stream media is going to come out clean in this whole affair because the mains stream media is doing what the main stream media is supposed to do. It's reporting the news. Of course there are radical media sources that propagate conspiracy theories and even outright misinformation but they're not the main stream media. Well, perhaps all but Fox News that's intentionally ignoring any negative news about Trump but Fox always ignores negative news about Republicans.
     
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    All government is controlled by money. In some governments, one lifetime leader controls all the money.
     
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