"Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41% Americans now tilt "pro-life" by nine-point

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I will start a more civilly titled thread on the latest developments.

    So what does this mean for the future of abortion on demand in this country?

    Americans now tilt "pro-life" by nine-point margin, 50% to 41%
    by Lydia Saad

    PRINCETON, NJ -- The 41% of Americans who now identify themselves as "pro-choice" is down from 47% last July and is one percentage point below the previous record low in Gallup trends, recorded in May 2009. Fifty percent now call themselves "pro-life," one point shy of the record high, also from May 2009........

    Decline in "Pro-Choice" Views Seen Across Partisan Groups

    The decline in Americans' self-identification as "pro-choice" is seen across the three U.S. political groups.

    Since 2001, the majority of Republicans have consistently taken the pro-life position, but by a gradually increasing margin over "pro-choice." That gap expanded further this year, with the percentage of Republicans identifying as pro-life increasing to 72% from 68% last May, and those identifying as pro-choice dropping to 22% from 28%. Still, Republicans' current views are similar to those found in 2009.

    The percentage of political independents identifying as pro-choice is 10 points lower today than in May 2011, while the percentage pro-life is up by six points. As a result, pro-lifers now outnumber pro-choicers among this important swing political group for only the second time since 2001, with the first occurring in 2009.

    More broadly, since 2009, independents have been fairly closely divided between the two abortion positions, whereas for most of the 2001-2008 period, significantly more independents were pro-choice than pro-life.

    Democrats' views on abortion have changed the least over the past 12 years, with roughly 60% calling themselves pro-choice and about a third pro-life. Democrats' identification as pro-choice was above this range in May 2011, but has returned to about 60% in the current poll.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/154838/Pro-Choice-Americans-Record-Low.aspx
     
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    what is it called when you knowingly and willfully take life? There is nothing uncivil about my thread
     
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    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Little has changed. The vast majority of Americans do not want to see Roe v. Wade overturned.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/23/labels-in-poll-incorrectly-call-americans-anti-abortion/
     
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    "murder" is a legal term and until our law defines abortion as "murder" it is not. During combat people knowingly and willfully kill people, it is not murder.
    I am pro-life BTW, I also know the difference between the legal killing of a life and the illegal killing of life. RvW made abortion the legal killing of life even though I am against such killing.

    Making such arguments do not further our cause.
     
  5. Bluesguy

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    The poll didn't ask that question nor did whomever this woman is you are citing provide any evidence to support such an assertion.

    The poll also shows the percentage of those who believe abortion should be illegal under all circumstances has increased 33% from 15% to 20%. It hit a high of 23% in '09 and is now at 20%. Those who believe in should be legal in ALL circumstances has fallen by 1 percentage point but from a high of 30% in '06 down to 25% a drop of 17%. Legal under some circumstances from 58% it's high down to 52% over the life of the survey.
     
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    The fact that the overwhelming majority want abortion to remain legal in certain or all circumstances is evidence to support the assertion.
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    Since certain would include life of the mother.......................which I know of no one who opposes except those who oppose any medical treatment by doctor.

    The fact remains pro-choice is waning.
     
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    "Certain circumstances" doesn't specify the life of the mother; it could be first trimester abortions, which the majority of Americans believe should be legal according to previous polls. Personhood USA promoters oppose life of the mother exceptions according to their own literature.


    CBS News/NYT Poll 2009
    http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion2.htm

    Based on one poll? The fact is, the margin of error makes up for the difference.
     
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    Since certain would include life of the mother.......................which I know of no one who opposes except those who oppose any medical treatment by doctor.

    The fact remains pro-choice is waning.
     
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    But it does include it and a person who believes that if the mother's life is threatened that abortion should be allowed would answer "under certain circumstances" not "under no circumstances".


    CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. April 9-11, 2010.

    It is several polls spanning many years.
     
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    That is good news. Somebody gets it that this method of birth control takes a little one's life.
     
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    The circumstances were not named. The question read, "Do you think abortions should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances."

    The last Gallup poll from July was even at 47%. Results vary from year to year, favoring one side, then another. Not enough to celebrate a trend.
     
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    If someone says they are pro life, but says they support abortion in cases of rape, they are not pro life. They are pro choice. Most people are pro choice.
     
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    as the numbers show, most agree that the baby should be given a choice of life or death and not leave it up to just the woman
     
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    This is great news for those who care about the fundamental right to life. I'll never understand why some people want to strip vulnerable children (unborn babies) of their basic rights.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesguy View Post
    But it does include it and a person who believes that if the mother's life is threatened that abortion should be allowed would answer "under certain circumstances" not "under no circumstances".

    Yes as I stated. "Certain circumstances" would include life of the mother.


    Yes as they reported there is a trend. RvW was taken WAY to far with abortion on demand under any circumstances.
     
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    It would not necessarily. Certain circumstances might be allowable to some people but not to others. If one only would allow abortion in the first trimester, that wouldn't necessarily include the life of the woman.

    How do results that favor one and the other side alternatively indicate a trend? Whose permission should be required for a woman to control the number and timing of her children?
     
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    It this poll it would.

    And the latter would respond to the poll under no circumstance.

    I'm sorry but you have no comprehension of what the poll ask or what I have stated and I have no time nor desire to further explain it to you.
     
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    Good grief, the questions are not that difficult to locate or comprehend. Specifically, the question reads:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx#1

    See, no mention of any specific circumstances. If there had been, you could have easily posted it.
     
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    The unborn have no rights. A living breathing woman always has dominion over her fetus. (*)(*)(*)(*) pro-lifers.
     
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    Seems so for you.
     
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    Well, that depends. It can be called "collateral damage", or "keeping America free, f--- yeah!" or "Targeted assassination."
     
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    it's all in how the question is posed, many would never get an abortion themselves but would not choose for another

    I spoke to many that "thought" they were pro-life, but really were pro-choice
     
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    You think parents should be able to do anything they want to their children?!

    And please stop pretending that the abortion industry cares anything about women.

    Just a few of the women chewed up by the abortion industry:

    New 911 tape reveals botched abortion at Virginia Planned Parenthood

    Authorities: Abortion doctors charged with murder

    16-Year-Old Girl Suffered Botched Abortion at Planned Parenthood

    DA: West Philadelphia abortion doctor killed 7 babies with scissors

    The abortion industry, like many industries, has captured the regulatory apparatus. Legalization means the mistreatment of women and a huge expansion of the industry.

    Planned Parenthood, which receives 100s of millions of taxpayer dollars, lies to women. If you really care about choice you don't lie to the one making the decision.

    Planned Parenthood’s use of unscientific and fabricated medical information
     
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    Planned Parenthood has been lied about. If you really care about life you don't lie to the one making the decision.

    http://www.religiondispatches.org/a...ila_rose_targets_planned_parenthood_with_lies

    But not everyone on the religious right believes that Lila Rose is acting out God’s will, let alone laying down her life. After all, Lila Rose lies in order to get the footage she seeks. She and her colleagues pose as underage pregnant teens, as sex traffickers, as statutory rapists.

    This is a problem because… well, for starters, there’s the issue of Roman Catholic teaching, which one assumes Lila Rose intends to uphold. According to Catholic teaching, a lie (“speaking a falsehood with the intention of deceiving,” according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church) is a sin. Always.
     

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