Proof! Muslims are training their children with guns to kill Americans and Jews.

I know they weren't to me, but I noted how they didn't have anything to do with what you quoted. Islam is a religion, you just don't know what religion means. I think you should reevaluate your positions as it requires denying reality. You seriously think that one sixth of the world population is out to get you? They're not, open your eyes. You can dislike islam if you want, but just live in reality.

 

You wanted a factual link, Corky? Always happy to educate American bigots: Now, take your ignorance and bigotry somewhere where it's appreciated. I suggest Stormfront; you'll be welcomed with open arms.

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

 

Why do soldiers sacrifice themselves? Why does a mother or a brother or a person who wants to save drowning people sacrifice themselves? It could be for moral or immoral reasons. I think the western perspective is why it's hard to understand in the first place, aside from the fact that people don't really try to understand. They are not criticizing terrorists, either, they are criticizing Muslims and their religion, or Middle Easterners, which is a huge misdirection and it shows just how off center the whole issue is. But to make it even worse, their criticism isn't even backed with any genuine curiosity or information, except piecemeal excerpts from various "professionals". It'd be like me saying how I was an expert on your family because I hear a lot about them. I know how you guys think.

Well, if you notice, everyone doesn't want free stuff. People want jobs. Jobs are not in high supply. Not as high as you think. In those times, things were "normal" meaning there was an "acceptable" level of unemployment and when things are generally acceptable, politicians and/or the government can cease to give a crap about it.

It's always a strange contradiction to me because over and over I hear the argument why can't the poor just pick themselves up and become rich? And these same people can't see themselves saying this. They can't see how just the general perception of society towards them plays against them. When you can't even look a poor person in the eye in the street, how is this same person suppose to even begin to look for work..show up for an interview? Sometimes you have the working poor, and there is a large pool of Black, White, Mexican people who are poor. Yes, they have a job, but they also have families and bills. While we make enough that these problems don't inconvenience us that much, to them, dimes shine. School is out of the question when you are already stretching pennies as it is. When medical bills pop up, and your job either doesn't offer any coverage, or the terms of the coverage is an utter joke, you are screwed and bills stack and stack and then they fall into the credit whole more often.

There are all types of poor, and America's culture is teaching people to scorn poor people like some 16th century scrooge. Instead of solving poverty, let's hate it and scorn it from existence. If you are poor, it's generally your fault. Nothing like this can possibly exist in a land of freedom. These are examples of some of the great misconceptions that permeate American culture.

 

No you don't, you think you do because you're putting me into a group because I don't agree, and assigning your prejudiced views of that group on me. I want a discussion without any of that, as it quite frankly pisses me off.

The thing is, that most other people wouldn't blow themselves up. If you're pissed off at occupying forces, you don't go suicide bombin'. Heard of many frenchmen doing that under nazi occupation? Religion is what make you blow yourself up, because it tells you that you'll get rewarded for it; it disturbs your world view soo much that you might actually believe that dying to protect your religion is the ultimately good and noble thing to do. Humans act according to their self interests, and getting yourself killed isn't in your interest. Unless, you think that you'll gain from it; and that view can be suported in some religions.

I get 1050 SEK per month because I'm studying but I don't need the money as I've got all my living expenses covered, but nontheless it's given to me, and every other student who doesn't need it, just because. It's a good example of wastefull spending. I'm a member of a youth wing, and I proposed getting rid of this but my collegues told me it wasn't even worth trying because people wouldn't vote it away. which is totally understandable; why say no to free money? That's what I'm talking about.

I don't know how you got into talking about poor people, I don't have much to say about that.

 

The Freemasons and motorbikers are behind it all, doubtless. It can't have anything to do with the constant American invasions of Muslim countries, obviously.

 

Perish the thought! Amazing how short some people's memory is. 'They attacked us!', they cry in outrage. Wow, I wonder why that might be...

 

Why are they blowing themselves up? What is the reason behind it? Is it religious, and to what religious purpose is blowing themselves up achieving?

While blowing themselves up in conventional warfare might not have been the express form of sacrifice, individual sacrifice is hardly an uncommon thing during any war. Terrorists use these means because they are means of desperation. They cannot confront a power like the US face-to-face, less mind the other powers that have traditional sabotaged their government, society, and way of life.

Many nations have governments who are nothing more than flesh-merchants or middle men willing to extort their own people for the interests of the US or other European powers in exchange for personal wealth and/or political power. It's a set-up that started during the colonial period which enabled colonial powers to rule without having to directly commit forces and resources to the issue. We set up the problems we heroically claim to fix and because they have little to no effective recourse in addressing their concerns and complaints, they resort to things like insurrection and terrorism.

I'm not sure what you mean by free money, but be prepared to be called a stinking liberal parasite by the people who claim to be conservatives...or sane. But if you say 'lib' enough, or 'moochers' they may forgive you.

 

I think you need to come up with a fact/link to show that, "Imagine if all westerners or Christians were lumped in with the ignorant, extremist nonsense spouted in the OP." I believe it is true, only more true for Muslims. It is not just me, read this thread. The idea is, "We love you so much we are going to blow up your cities and and kill your citizens ~ then send you to Allah!"

I would love to hear what you would be saying if one of your relatives or friends had died in the Boston Marathon bombing. Apparently just another traitor to America.

The Mods won't let me show the disfigured bodies of the Marathon dead on the autopsy table.
So, here is a link. http://www.lucidtrip.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/dead-terrorist.jpg​

 

And, Mali has to do with this thread because? Do you have a fact/link to support your words or not? This is my third request.

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Maybe this is why progressives are trying to snatch all our guns away, because they know gun ownership won't be compatible with all that third world african/arab immigration they have in store for us.

Immigration brings all sorts of crime and violence problems, so the progressive left is trying to do preemptive damage control.

 

Fighting the infidels, defending the house of islam against agressors, it could be whatever.

the 9/11 terrorists had quite a good education iirc, and even if not there are other cases where it was so. Being poor and having your life suck isn't a requirement to be a terrorist, although it could certainly help. But that alone isn't enough, which explains the lack of christian black terrorist; there needs to be a religion which can justify it.

What about free money do you not understand? I get tax payer money, and I have no need of it. simple as that.

 

Mali answered your question. As did the links.

 

The reality on the ground in Mali is not compatible with your world view, is it?

 

It couldn't possibly be because America isn't invading and conducting wars against Christian nations, could it?

 

Most Christian black terrorists are conducting operations against other blacks, Muslim and Christian and pagan alike. Sometimes black pagans join in the fight on the side of the Christians, as in Uganda.

 

You're missing the point. I'm just saying that terrorists can find justifications for their actions in their religion. And I'm saying that suicide bombing requires that one believes it lies in one's interest, something which religion can do.

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My bad, I meant suicide bomber. of course there's non-muslim terrorists, and non-poor terrorists.

 

Your saying there's no such thing as terrorism that isn't religiously motivated? Or that terrorism is a predominantly religiously motivated policy?

I'm not sure why you are telling me this.

 

Yes,please by all means tell us all about it over thar Granny.I mean,while yer at it,
go over once more about how you almost successfully sued Betty Crocker for
plagiarizing cooking recipes from your Cookbook.
That story was a hoot.

 

You're saying that terrorism can't possibly be religiously motivated? Of course there's non religious terrorism. I don't know if religious terrorism is predominant.

I explained what I meant with 'free money'; I clarified that I wasn't talking about any 'moochers' or lazy poor people.

 

Oh, I thought you were saying that terrorism was inherently religious or something...

And I wasn't saying you were talking about moochers and all that, it was a joke.

 

Nay, I did not. in agreement then?

Alrighty.

 

I'm not sure what your argument was.

 

Likewise.

 

Was that your argument? If it was, then I don't agree with it.

We disagree then.

 

oh, I see. My bad, I'm guilty of using terrorist and suicide bomber as synonyms.