http://www.in-broad-daylight.com/ Nothing on the limo was bulletproof. There were witnesses that stated they saw a hole in the windshield...Ellis and Freeman- two DPD motorcycle policmen. Evangelea Glanges- Nursing student, Parkland Hospital. Richard Dudman- Reporter for St. Louis Post-Dispatch, he wrote an article claming there was a hole in the windshield. Nick Prencipe- US Park Policeman. In the link I posted you can see pictures of the limo at Pakland hospital and there are policeman standing guard on the limo, I don't think anyone got to close to the limo.
Good link, give me a bit to read it and digest it. One thing I noticed -- Go to the website you posted, go about 2/3rd down, and look for where it mentions the FBI Bulky photos. Click on the link for the 2nd and 3rd picture. Look at the floorboard and the carpeting between the bottom of the seat and the floorboard where Jackie was sitting. In the words of Col. Kurtz from Apocalypse Now - "The horror. The horror."
http://www.in-broad-daylight.com/t-gcd80.3.jpg This is from the link I posted, its under FBI forensic investigation, this is the third page and it states... In addition, of particular note was the small hole just left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed.
The student was a medical student (doctor) not a nurse. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vClwuJ0yuWM"]The Limo Windshield, Bullet from Front - YouTube[/ame]
This is what is called dis-information. For heavens sake, open up to what happened that day and stop spreading gov propaganda.
This is a very good video about the windshield hole. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtFoPCKVp-8&feature=related"]Bullet holes in the limousine and extra bullets in Dealey Plaza (Extended English Version) - YouTube[/ame]
And another [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stHp1AbPsUw"]Limo to Detroit, Part II - YouTube[/ame]
Yes, frankly they would as a general rule, observe things more. Doctors are taught to be seakers. They investigate things around them. Nurses on the other hand by in large do tasks they are instructed to do. A nurse for example would be quite good at looking for a hole, if she were instructed to find one. A doctor would be my choice over a nurse to do a whitness observation of an historical event such as this. Watch the video and you tell me if whe is a critical and informed whitness.
There was to 100% certainty that there was a bullet hole clean through the windshield from a front to back trajectory that was covered up by the secret service along with the police in Dallas, the FBI and the Warren commission. This also makes to 100% certainty that a conspiracy to kill the president transpired that day and continues on even yet today. Oswald could not have taken that shot, and even a grassy Knoll shooter is unlikely to have taken that shot as it was from the front. The most likely position for the shooter of this round is from the railroad overpass. Police reports of jack ruby leaving the overpass holding a riffle he placed in a car and drove away can be viewed on YouTube. It is known ruby was under the protection of the Dallas police. He was seen stalking Oswald no less than three times inside the police station before he shot him. If the police let ruby stalk Oswald inside the jail with a gun, are we to think that same police force would keep that same man off the railroad overpass with a gun? Ruby was a mob agent working along side and inside the Dallas police department. As the mob and the CIA are the same people with the same bosses it is very possible ruby was working for the same people Guy Banister was working for in New Orleans. Corruption is inside every branch of government. Dallas police Dept is no different. Likewise the FBI and the secret service. Our president was killed that day, and the shot from the front was not taken by Oswald. That is 100% certain.
Get the hell out of here! She was a Med student not a Doctor at the time and how do you account for the other witnesses seeing a hole, they were not Med students, we shouldn't believe them because they were not Med students!
I am open to what happened that day, but what the theorists is proposing is not only incomprehensible, but almost impossible. What I'm being asked to believe is this -- JFK was shot from the left front, the bullet travelling through a laminated safety glass windshield. A few people noticed this "hole" while the limousine was at Parkland Hospital, and when the Secret Service noticed this, the limousine was spirited away and flown back to Washington. Sometime between Parkland, and when the limousine reappeared in the White House garage to be examined by the FBI, the original windshield with the "hole" in it was replaced by another windshield - one that only had a "crack" in it. This crack was not only in the correct place as the "hole", but also was intentionally contaminated with evidence that would indicate a shot from the rear by the Mannlicher-Carcano. This "cracked" windshield was entered into evidence as being the original windshield from the limousine, while it actually wasn't - it was a faked replacement. Which leads me to the question - if the conspiracy participants are going to replace the windshield, why replace it with one that is cracked? Why not replace it with an intact, pristine windshield?
Spotscat, I agree, switching the windshield is hard to believe and the guy ( Vaughn Ferguson ) from the Ford motor company who came to inspect the windshield and replace it, stated in a memo that the windshield had no perforation http://www.in-broad-daylight.com/ferg1.gif. The question is, was the defect in the windshield there after the first shot through JFK's throat and before the head shot, indications that it was is depicted in Altgens photo #6 and if it was, then the bullet that went trough JFK's throat did not hit Gov. Connally. During a phone conversation between LBJ and Hoover, Hoover makes a strange statement, that Gov. Connally would not have been hit, if he hadn't turned and the President would have been hit by that shot http://www.box.com/shared/x143w38kk4
If you had one person say there was a hole in the windshield, that would be a theory. When you have so many sources for this, all saying the same thing, from so many reliable people, it is a fact that windshield had a bullet hole clean through it. I see no other explanation. Once the evidence is destroyed, we are left with the credible witnesses.
Even though they all said there was a hole, they all gave different locations of the hole, some said it was high in the windshield others said it was low in the windshield and some gave no location. The only thing that we are sure of, is there was a defect in the windshield as shown in Altgens photos and the photo taken at Parkland Hospital and not one witness that said there was a hole, placed it were the defect is shown.
If I see someone in line at a grocery store with bananas in their cart, if I ask them if those are the ones recalled by the FDA for killing people with south America plague? Do you think that family would purchase those bananas? Your post could very possibly fall into this realm, called disinformation. Facts are this, windshield spotted by various credible witnesses with a bullet hole in it, from front to back bullet direction. The Gov introducing banana stories, and even banana photos, means what? Holds as much weight as a south America plague.
You see the windshield defect depicted in the Altgens photos, you can see where its located and indicates no hole, one of two crediable witnesses placed the hole high on the windshield, the other low, the other two gave no location, and were never asked. Many witnesses that were behind the Limo near Elm and Houston stated the limo stoped before the head shot but all the witnesses down Elm St. stated that the limo slowed. You can watch any home movie taken that day and can see the limo never stoped but slowed, so its not fact that they saw a hole in the windshield, the fact is, they saw a defect in the windshield and Altgens photo shows they were were wrong about the hole, just like the witnesses that stated the limo stoped.
Let's start with a basic assumption - any bullets flying through the air that day were aimed at John Kennedy, okay? So... we've got a hole in the windshield, that you believe was on a front to back trajectory. If the target is in the right rearmost seat, and the hole in the windshield is located slightly to the left of the center of the windshield, then the shooter must have been located to the left front of the limousine. And, Dealey Plaza is on a downgrade. I don't know how much it slopes from Houston Street to the Triple Underpass - how steep a grade it is - but having been there, I can assure you that there is a downgrade. So any shooter taking this shot is going to have to be lower than the limousine, and located to the left front of it in order to make this shot. Being above the level of the limousine - on top of the Triple Underpass - would make this shot impossible. Here are a couple pictures of Dealey Plaza -- From the center field grass looking towards the Triple Underpass -- Another closer view of the Triple Underpass -- The view from the sixth floor of the TSBD -- Therefore, the shooter in your scenario would have to be located in front of, or just inside of where Commerce Street goes underneath the Triple Underpass, or else in front of, or just inside where the pedestrian walkway goes through the Triple Underpass to the left of Commerce Street. But there aren't any reports I can find of anyone witnessing any suspicious activity immediately before, during, or after the assassination in that area. This picture was taken in the aftermath of the assassination, my best guess is that about :30 seconds have elapsed since the shooting -- The shooter in your scenario would been somewhere in the midst of all those automobiles in the far right of the picture that are going underneath the Triple Underpass on Commerce. But again, there are no reports of anything suspicious taking place in that area at that time. So what's not adding up here?
If a photo is worth a thousand words, what is a video worth? In this case, this video shows why Ruby thought it necessary to silence the patsy??? I do not know if this was Ruby, or just another white guy in a dark suit, with a gun, leaving the scene of the murder of the President. I do know this man was a Dallas police officer, I do know his daughter was also a witness, and I think that makes it a credible piece of the puzzle. I do not see a car, on a sidewalk, where the police officer says the car was parked, but the car could be off the sidewalk over behind the signs, a more credible place to park a get a way car. There must be access to that area by sign people to change the billboards. I can see the get a way car parked in the place where sign workers park. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpygmPChW88"]"ON TRIAL: LEE HARVEY OSWALD" (PART 20)(WITNESS: TOM TILSON) - YouTube[/ame]
If you remember, we discussed Tom Tilson about this time last year in this thread. My opinion of Tilson hasn't changed since then, I find him to be a less than credible witness. I base that opinion on two things - First, there are no witnesses that I can find who corroborate Tilson's testimony. Second, there are no photographs that corroborate his story. The only person I've been able to find who will vouch for Tilson's story is his daughter, and she won't go on the record as to what she observed. Maybe Tilson did see something, I don't know. I just know I need more proof before I can accept his story as being credible.
yeah there is a pic of the windshield and you see a bullet hole in them so yeah ot discounts the lone nut theory for sure.
This gif file was made by Robin Unger and depicts the official crack and the bullet hole/defect captured by James Altgens, a press photographer. He snapped it at Zapruder frame 255. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ike_Altgens Harry Russell Freeman, a DPD motorcycle officer. According to Murder from Within (1974) by Fred T. Newcomb and Perry Adams, Gil Toff interviewed Freeman in 1971 for the book. Toff reported that Freeman said he observed a hole in the windshield when the car stood outside the Emergency Room at Parkland Hospital. "I was right beside it," said Freeman. "I could have touched it. It was a bullet hole. You could tell what it was." Stavis Ellis, a DPD motorcycle officer. The day after interviewing Freeman, Gil Toff interviewed Ellis. According to Toff, Ellis told him, "There was a hole in the left front windshield... you could put a pencil through it." Ellis was also interviewed by Larry Sneed for No More Silence (199. According to Sneed, Ellis reported: I walked by the limousine after they were taken in... Some of the jockeys around the car were saying, 'Looky here!' What they were looking at was the windshield. To the right of where the driver was, just above the metal near the bottom of the glass there appeared to be a bullet hole. I talked to a Secret Service man about it, and he said, 'Aw, that's just a fragment!' It looked like a clean hole in the windshield to me. In fact, one of the motor jockeys, Harry Freeman, put a pencil through it, or said he could.
http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/thumbnails.php?album=2 Altgens provides conclusive proof of a bullet hole in the windshield captured less than two seconds after jfk was hit in the throat. We see the typical froth and the dark circle indicative of a bullet hole. The official crack is debunked as a fraud because it looks nothing like the real hole, has no chain of custody, and was more right of the mirror. The last pic is NOT FROM JFK'S LIMO.
I see you are smoking dope again. Can't distinguish between light shaddows and bullet holes...poor individual. Do you hug your Jim Mars doll at night?
Reminds me of what's called "snowball effect". If you put 50 people in a line and told the one at the front that you saw lightening, the story would change 50 times before the last person heard it.
