Race and Crime

most violet crimes go unsolved, and so you can not claim black people arrested = most violent crimes are done by black people.
We've been through this endlessly.

 

YOU are using "data" of unsolved crime to claim that black people do more violent crime. You do not have that data. YOU fail to prove your point.

HRW, Stanford university, American Psychological Association and what not... are not politically non-partisan people
Your attempts to dismiss my sources is a joke.
Racism is simply utterly institutionalized.

Is it? I can hardly tell the dark green bar is higher than the light green bar.
While it's clear the light green bar on drug use is much higher.... just like any dark purple bar.

The green bars say % drug crime split between using and selling.
So I have proved who commits most drug crime. It's white people.

Stanford covers the entire country.

 

I commented on them FBI stats, that it does not include the bulk of unsolved crime. I sourced that the cops also arrest black people more on drugs related crimes, while it's a fact that white people do/sell more drugs than black people. The same thing happens with people being pulled over. So you can not rely on the fact that "% of people arrested = % of people committing a crime".

 

I'm saying that the data says that blacks commit more buying/receiving/possessing stolen property! But do you accept that data?

 

How does this debunk that racism is not institutionalized?
And do most burglary etc crimes go unsolved? I'm better they are.
Because it seems obvious this is just you pushing the goalpost to an again half baked argument.

 

Because you're relying on the false idea that it's not a fact that black people commit the most crime.

Nope.

 

I'm doing no such thing! There IS no data of unsolved crime! Again, it is simply your OPINION that arrest data cannot be used to determine who commits the most crime!

Correct! They are not politically non-partisan people! They are politically PARTISAN!

They are left wing! Just like my sources are RIGHT wing! So I can't trust left wing OR right wing sources! I want to think for myself! You do not!

And how much 'drug related arrest/incarceration' is due to drug USE? Your source doesn't say!

So you think that the only factors of drug crime, are 'drug use' and 'drug sale?' What about 'drug possession?'

If that's true, then you should have no problem finding another statistical graph or table which shows drug crime by race. Is the above graph REALLY the only one that you can find?

No, the Stanford study is about Oakland. Your source says so:

"Stanford University social psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt, PhD, and colleagues analyzed data from the police department in Oakland, California, and found that while black residents make up 28 percent of the Oakland population, they accounted for 60 percent of police stops."

 

You claiming my sources are basing their things on false idea's is just your opinion, and that means nothing.
My sources stand, and I proved that racism is institutionalized. Take a tip from your own source: don't be naïve about it.

You're just so done.... lol

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/most-burglaries-go-unsolved/
Nationwide, barely more than 1 in 10 cases will be solved, according to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

 

You claiming arrest data gives an accurate perception who commits crime ... is YOUR opinion, and it's debunked based on facts how it works out with drug related crime.

You're in no position to cast aside Stanford university as some left wing conspiracy institute.
My sources stand.

So what that it adds the drug use and selling under the the drug related arrest/incarceration. You're just childishly pushing goalposts. Point stands that on the issue of drugs it is black people get arrested +300% more often while white people are more criminal.

You claimed "YOUR source doesn't say who commits the most drug crime." I proved it does say so.
So now you're just moving goalposts as possession is not covered by either using or selling... while there is nothing else. People don't collect cocaine for the sake of collecting.

I already got my sources. HRW and the hamilton project say the same things.
So there is no if. Posted that ages ago, and you're just unwilling to accept it based on just your puny little opinion.

Nope... they investigated almost 100 million stops.... nationwide.
https://news.stanford.edu/press-releases/2020/05/05/veil-darkness-reas-traffic-stops/

And they conclude it's racism... get over it.

 

Yes, it's my opinion. And you cannot dispute it with anything other than YOUR opinion!

Also, there is this:

The fact remains, that drug use and drug selling, are NOT the only types of drug crime. And none of your sources break down different types of drugs. It could be that black people are more involved in a particular type of drug which gets targeted by law enforcement more than other drugs. Also, Hamilton says, "it is challenging to relate rates of criminal activity to differences in punishment."

The graph at the top of the HRW page, is ONLY drug USE!

 

The absolute MOST you have done, is provide evidence that racism is institutionalized when it comes to drugs and traffic stops! That's it! Even if black areas are targeted more because they have more crime on average, this doesn't mean that it's because the justice system thinks that non-white people are inferior to white people. Of course, this doesn't make it right either. Again, I acknowledge that there would very likely be many racists in the justice system, who treat black people differently based on their race. Even William Barr acknowledges that there are some obvious disparities.

Nice try! I said "buying/receiving/possessing stolen property!"

Also, why would burglaries and other crimes committed by white people be harder to solve?
Why is it that the burglaries and other non-drug related crimes which ARE solved, are overwhelmingly committed by blacks?
Also, 62% of murders are solved. Is this high enough to admit that black people commit the most murder?

 

My source doesn't say that it's naive to say that there is no INSTITUTIONALISED racism.

 

The reason they arrest them more is because they commit MORE CRIMES. The FBI table showed exactly that.

 

My 2 sources of APA and my source of Stanford university are not about drugs. Stanford is about almost 100 million traffic stops. One APA source is the general perception by cops and the US as a whole. The other APA source is specifically how cops treat black people different when observing camera footages, and how they shoot more unarmed black people and less armed white people in a 1st person shooting game.

You got no leg to stand on.

You need to make your own argument. I'm not here to be quiestioned.

 

It does say that.

 

So you can't prove your point, because you got no source to back it up.
Got it.

I care not about your little opinion that HRW and the Hamilton project did not do their work correctly, while you care so little that you have no source to prove your point.

 

You made the point that arrest data does not give an accurate perception who commits crime. Are you saying that this is FACT, or your OPINION?

My point is NOT that HRW and the Hamilton project did not do their work correctly, it's that their work does not claim what you THINK it claims! Neither of them break down different types of drugs. It could be that black people are more involved in a particular type of drug which gets targeted by law enforcement more than other drugs. Also, Hamilton says, "it is challenging to relate rates of criminal activity to differences in punishment." Plus, the graph at the top of the HRW page, is ONLY drug USE!

 

@notme, you failed to address this:

 

Nope:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime
"While it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system..."

 

Your sources don't even conclude that there is 'systemic/institutional racism!' You can't even quote them! They just say that there is SOME racism!

You haven't explained why would burglaries and other crimes committed by white people are harder to solve.
You haven't explained why it is that the burglaries and other non-drug related crimes which ARE solved,
are overwhelmingly committed by blacks. Also, 62% of murders are solved. This is obviously high enough
to conclude that black people commit the most murder based on WAY more black people being arrested for murder!

 

The picture is about people who got arrested. Since it's a fact that most violent crime goes unsolved: that black people get arrested far more, means nothing. Cops do the same thing with drugs related crime, while white people commit more drug related crimes. I sourced it.

 

Did you miss that I sourced this witht the HRW / Hamilton project.

"Neither of them break down different types of drugs."... oh really?
From HRW:


You're in no position to criticize my sources with just your puny little opinion.

 

Where does the picture mention who got arrested?

 

Right. So this is about the perception of the victim of who committed the crime. I have already replied to this before as well. I sourced that APA says that racism is wide spread and so people can just blame black people for the heck of it. As an example: You got the central part 6/5, that is about 6 people, and than 5 -mostly black- wrongfully convicted over a raping a white woman done by a single Latino, and proven with DNA. It takes a white president, raised up in the Jim Crow era, yelling that those 5 previously convicted people still must have done it. So who people claim what race was the offender was: it means absolutely nothing.

 

I have absolutely no idea what the hell you are talking about. The rape of a white woman? A white white president, raised up in the Jim Crow era?