Race and Crime

So what. You're still in no position to question the quality of APA's conclusions as an amateur.

 

It's your point that black people commit more violent crime / robbery / armed robbery.... (pushing the goalpost around), yet you failed to prove it. All you got is who the cops caught and I proved you can't conclude a thing about it.... since black people are caught more on drugs and when pulled over, yet white people commit more crime in that area. I proved that. It's part of how I proved that racism is institutionalized.... with 5 high end sourced. Don't be "naïve" about it, according to your own source.

 

Okay, so you admit that most robberies DO NOT go unsolved.

 

I already have sourced that most violent crimes go unsolved. Hence you got no argument.

 

I said ROBBERIES.

 

https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

Offenses All races White Black American Indian Asian
All offenses 10,085,210 7,014,550 2,667,010 244,200 159,450
Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter 11,060 5,070 5,660 170 150

Robbery 74,550 33,290 39,290 840 1,130
Aggravated assault 385,280 237,960 128,020 10,100 9,200
Burglary 171,590 117,080 49,380 2,500 2,630
Larceny-theft 813,070 539,390 245,540 16,070 12,070
Motor vehicle theft 80,640 54,500 23,110 1,710 1,320
Arson 9,070 6,420 2,240 170 240
Simple assault 1,025,710 664,630 319,920 23,380 17,780
Forgery and counterfeiting 45,180 30,310 13,610 480 780
Fraud 112,710 74,270 34,440 2,040 1,960
Embezzlement 13,500 8,170 4,900 160 280
Stolen property (buying, receiving, possessing) 88,270 54,250 30,820 1,550 1,650
Vandalism 180,500 123,560 49,600 4,570 2,760
Weapons (carrying, possessing, etc.) 153,160 85,120 64,070 1,590 2,380
Prostitution and commercialized vice 26,710 13,580 11,290 100 1,740
Sex offenses (except rape & prostitution)
Drug abuse violations 1,558,860 1,109,600 406,940 20,890 21,420
Gambling 2,460 1,400 720 20 320
Offenses against the family and children 85,690 56,390 24,290 4,170 840
Driving under the influence 1,024,510 834,890 144,000 19,610 26,010
Liquor laws 175,550 136,360 27,270 9,040 2,880
Drunkenness 316,030 238,800 46,740 26,430 4,060
Disorderly conduct 310,330 197,280 95,270 14,590 3,200
Vagrancy 21,900 14,770 6,170 650 300
All other offenses (except traffic) 3,318,450 2,319,930 874,280 81,790 42,460
Curfew and loitering 14,650 9,640 4,380 380 260
Violent Crime Index
Property Crime Index 1,074,370 717,390 320,270 20,450 16,260
Violent crimes* 470,890 276,310 172,980 11,110 10,480

 

Your source says it is about the estimated number of arrests.
They also arrest black people far more often on drug related crimes.
Black people get arrested more often when pulled over in total numbers as well.
Yet white people are more criminal on both accounts. I proved that ages ago.
Hence there is no link between who does the crime and who gets arrested.
It part of proving that institutionalized racism is real. I did that with 5 high end sources.

 

And that's a violent crime as far as I know... and so...
I already have sourced that most violent crimes go unsolved. Hence you got no argument.

 

Okay, so all we have to go on is the SOLVED violent crimes, which blacks commit more of!

 

Okay, so all we have to go on is the SOLVED drug related crimes, which blacks commit more of!

It doesn't mean they actually commit more drug related crimes.
I proved that it's the opposite in that case.
And you can't prove a thing about violent crimes.
The end.

 

Yes, they commit more crimes. Yes, they also are belligerent with the police. Yes, they have warrants out more often than others.

So, there's is an exact direct link as provided and sources by the FBI. All you found were opinions at a university.

 

You have only proven that of the solved cases it is so that black people commit more crime.
Most cases are not solved. So you got absolutely no clue who actually commits more crime if all violent crimes get solved.

It is so that on drug related offences that black people get arrested more,
yet white people commit more drug related offense... and don't get arrested by a margin of over 300%.
I sourced that ages ago.

 

Yeah, it's CLEAR that white people commit more drug crime. This has nothing to do with
"all we have to go on is the SOLVED violent crimes, which blacks commit more of!"

 

Well no it's not. It CAN be violent. What about buying/receiving/possessing stolen property? It that violent too?

 

I'm questioning YOU for not looking at their research!

 

So my source, which says that it's "naïve", which you agree with, also says this:

"There is evidence in the official police-recorded figures that black Americans are more likely to commit certain types of crime than people of other races."

How the hell do you know who commits the crime unless someone has been arrested?

This doesn't change the fact that your drug source doesn't take into account unsolved crimes. But you're happy to use it!

It's a big part of the reason why 38.6% of the prison population is black.

 

If most violent crimes go unsolved, all it means is that in reality, using your scenario, more than 80 black people committed a violent crime even though only 40 were arrested, and more than 20 white people committed a violent crime even though only 10 were arrested!

5,070 white people were arrested for murder in 2019. 5,660 black people were arrested for murder in 2019. https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2
That's 590 more blacks than whites and blacks are only 13.4% of the population. What do you think the chances are that the inclusion of unsolved violent crime would show that white people actually commit more murder? Are the police forces in communities with a higher black population totally useless or something? It's VERY simple: black people commit more crime than white people. There is LOTS of crime in black communities. This is TRAGIC and continues to be the biggest problem facing the black community. And pretending that it's not actually a problem is not doing the black community ANY favours whatsoever!

 

I'm not here to be questioned by you. Their research stands, and so does my point.

 

You present an opinionated article of a reporter (Patrick Worrall) making conclusions based on who the cops arrest.
I already responded to how % of arrest do not reflect the % who commits the crime. It's been proven.

It's called: research.
I got 5 high end sources who did that.
You're in no position to debunk that with an opinion.
Systemic racism is a fact. Don't be naïve about it.

it does, since it says how many commit the crime and how many get arrested. It's a childlike simple equation of deduction to end up unsolved crime.

 

That's not my scenario.
The drug scenario is more like:
100 black people do/sell drugs vs 110 white people.
30 black people get arrested over it vs 10 white = +300% difference.

And you conclude that when 30 black people get arrested over it vs 10 white over violent crime it must mean that black people do more violent crime.
I proved you can not conclude a thing.

This is only about who the cops arrested. It means nothing. Since most violent crime goes unsolved.

You're just rewriting the same fake logic again and again.
You lost the discussion ages ago.
Systemic racism is a fact. Don't be naïve about it.

 

Why the dishonest "snip?"

 

Is it worth looking at where the crimes were committed? It's probably fair to say that most crime in predominately black areas is committed by black people, and similar for white areas. That would give a better picture over which people had the higher crime rate.

 

I've already discussed your endless endeavors of you posting who they arrest by responding that you can't didact who commits crimes of that, since most crimes go unsolved and that cops arrest black people +300% more often on drug related crimes while white people commit more crime. Same hassle when black vs white get pulled over.

It's part of that racism is institutionalized.
I gave to 5 high class sources who researched this.

And you tried to debunk that with 1 opinion piece from a reporter, and 1 person who drags in nazi-like racist theories.
Impressive. Your own source qualifies you as naïve if you refuse to admit to this.
Kind of weird you're making a personal attack against yourself.

 

The dumbest thing is like stealing from some liquor store, where EVERYBODY knows who you are and that you live a couple of 100 yards around the corner.

 

Well we know from data, that most whites are killed by other whites and most blacks are killed by other blacks. Most crime is intra-racial. Which makes the claims about white people being the biggest threat to black people a complete and utter JOKE!