Race and Crime

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Conservative Democrat, Jul 25, 2020.

  1. notme

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    At best you now got that a study attributing only 5 to 10% of the violent crime, without any link to skin color. Rather bold to insert that this must be the case with zero to back that idea up. So thanks for sharing.
     
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  2. Conservative Democrat

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    The biological function of empires is to impose civilization on barbarians. The Roman Empire imposed civilization on the Celts. The Holy Roman Empire imposed civilization on the Germans. The European empires in sub Saharan Africa ended centuries too long.

    This website substantiates my claim:

    https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
     
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    The study of the genetics of intelligence, crime, and sexual behavior is only beginning. Unfortunately, there are still many taboos and sanctions against the study.
     
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    No one claims that "a certain ethnicity has a lower intelligence due to their skin color." Nevertheless, light skin color and superior intelligence correlate. Until it became fashionable to lie in public and dangerous to tell the truth, this was commonly understood. Light skin color and higher intelligence correlate because they both evolve in cold climates.
     
  5. notme

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    Heck no. People forged empires by brute force and thug slavery etc for narcissistic greed and prestige. The Arian race didn't go colonizing about the entire world with the philanthropical idea to seek out all the indigenous and safe them from their barbaric practices, but made them work the land by the barrel of their guns. I don't need to read some source for that. It's common knowledge. British natural museum is full with what them Arians robbed. The warehouses in Amsterdam are still awed by all for their luxurious prestigious looks, where they sored the riches they took by force from those "barbarians". Etc.
     
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    The entire idea of nature vs nurture goes clear over your head and you go full nature. Scientists are claiming something a heck of a lot different.
     
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    "The Inequality Taboo,' by Charles Murray, Commentary, September 2005

    Good social policy can be based on premises that have nothing to do with scientific truth. The premise that is supposed to undergird all of our social policy, the founders' assertion of an unalienable right to liberty, is not a falsifiable hypothesis. But specific policies based on premises that conflict with scientific truths about human beings tend not to work. Often they do harm...

    The Harvard geneticist Richard Lewontin originated the idea of race as a social construct in 1972, arguing that the genetic differences across races were so trivial that no scientist working exclusively with genetic data would sort people into blacks, whites, or Asians. In his words, "racial classification is now seen to be of virtually no genetic or taxonomic significance." Lewontin's position, which quickly became a tenet of political correctness, carried with it a potential means of being falsified. If he was correct, then a statistical analysis of genetic markers would not produce clusters corresponding to common racial labels.

    In the last few years, that test has become feasible, and now we know that Lewontin was wrong. Several analyses have confirmed the genetic reality of group identities going under the label of race or ethnicity. In the most recent, published this year, all but five ofthe 3,636 subjects fell into the cluster of genetic markers corresponding to their self identified ethnic group. When a statistical procedure, blind to physical characteristics and working exclusively with genetic information, classifies 99.9 percent of the individuals in a large sample in the same way they classify themselves, it is hard to argue that race is imaginary.

    http://www.iapsych.com/wj3ewok/LinkedDocuments/Murray2005.pdf
     
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    You don't get the nature vs nurture.

    A human is not a machine, that when born with DNA that this is how it will tick. Being raised up in a moldy environment with poor nutrition and smoking parents are physically attributes that has an impact on the development of the human brain. The same can be said about an environment that has a mental impact in the development of the human brain. Is it encouraged or does it become a victim of a high amount of stress are things that matter.

    A baby is born with 25% of the brain it eventually ends up with after a couple of years. How it grows really also depends on what the input is. In the debate on nature vs nurture it eventually was found that slightly more than half of how a brain functions depends on the environment while the other part on it's genes. I can hear you already go aha, genes matter. Sure. Thing is: that doesn't mean those are genes are different from one ethnic group compared to the next.

    There is a famous Flynn effect that crashed all the hopes for white people to claim they are the master race. They have tested the IQ of people for quiet some time now. And it ends up with that the average American black person in the 1990's is about as high as white people in 1945, while the IQ gap between black and white people is shrinking. Something that is unable to be explained with genetics, since genes do not mutate that fast. What does change that fast is the environment, as for example the amount of lead poisoning a child gets from drinking water from old pipes. That happens in old poor neighborhoods. That's where black people predominantly live, since white people made that so under their apartheid laws.

    These are facts that does crash and burn the whole white supremacy theme of being superior.


    You also chickened out of the debate about violence vs race. You go anal on numbers who a dysfunctional police force arrests where systemic racism is all over. Casually forgetting how utterly brutal the Arian race has been to the world. I wouldn't know a single ruthless far right Latin American dictator that did not got hoisted in his seat by the predominantly white elite of the US. Not to mention raging war all over the ME and South-East Asia, and being close to blow up the entire world. Could you even come up with a year that the biggest thread to man kind were people from the black community? I seriously doubt it.
     
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    One of the few successful social experiments in the United States has been the increase in the prison population.

    From 1960 to 1970 the prison population declined from 212,953 to 196,429

    During this time the crime rate per 100,000 inhabitants increased from 1,887.2 to 3,984.5

    From 1980 to 2016 the prison population increased from 315,974 to 1,380,427

    During this time the crime rate per 100,000 declined from 5,950,0 to 2,489.3.

    https://www.sentencingproject.org/criminal-justice-facts/...

    https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
     
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    Interesting claim you have there. The question is, can you support it?
     
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    So you agree that HRW and Hamilton do not SAY that they know the exact people in the country who are committing drug crime! :roflol:
     
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    I didn't say that the majority of black people DO NOT say that black people face discrimination. My point was simple: many black people disagree with you!
     
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    U.S. Department of Justice Office of Justice Programs Bureau of Justice Statistics November 2011

    Based on available data from 1980 to 2008—  Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000)
    https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

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    Notice something about your claims? You seem to never include actual raw data or statistics. No surprise.
     
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    You totally capitulated on the unscientific theme of black people are dumber because of their skin color. The entire world almost anonymously came to the conclusion that genetics aint the answer to it, leaving the outcasts on their own. Black people are closing that IQ on a fast pace when their social economic position has been getting better ever since white people are legally made to stop discriminating them. The climbing up the social economic ladder as a whole is just really made hard in the US. That really is all what is standing in the way. While the entire idea of your claim that black people are more violent, is a total joke considering how utterly and utterly violent the Arian race has been to the world,.... and still is. All top weapon producing companies in the world reside in predominantly white countries. The biggest "defense" budgets are also dominated by predominantly white countries. THEY caused the biggest wars in the past, and are still committed to cause some more.
     
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    So you agree that HRW and Hamilton do not SAY that they know the exact people in the country who are committing drug crime! :roflol:
     
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    I didn't say that the majority of black people DO NOT say that black people face discrimination. My point was simple: many black people disagree with you!
     
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    I am saying you are in no position to dispute how well HRW and Hamilton did their research. :roflol:
    Your opinion doesn't matter.

    My sources stand and I proved systemic racism.
     
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    That is your opinion, not based on anything.
    Your opinion doesn't matter.
     
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    I'm not. I'm simply saying that they don't CLAIM to know the exact people in the country who are committing drug crime!
     
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    2.2 million black people voted for Trump! So yes, MANY black people disagree with you believe it or not! :roflol:
     
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    Charles Murray has again chosen to step in where the fire is hottest.
    Why Charles Murray's New Book Is His Weakest

    John McWhorter, Substack

    ". . . Yet Facing Reality is seriously disturbing. Murray gives a great deal of evidence for two points. One is that black people aren’t, on the average, as intelligent as other people. The other is that black people in America are more violent than others. . . .

    The point about intelligence, however, is tough reading. Many will try the usual arguments – that race is a fiction (but while there are gray zones, humans do divide into delineable races genetically), that all races have a range from genuises on down (but the issue is that some races have more geniuses than others), that intelligence tests are “biased” somehow (but no one will specify just how, and this sort of bias is decades gone now).

    The data, unless Murray is holding back reams of data with opposite results, cut brutally through all of this. It isn’t that black people are on the bottom on one big test in one big study, but that a certain order of achievement manifests itself in one study after another with relentless and depressing regularity. Asians on top, then come the whites, then Latinos, and then black people.

    People will insist that none of this has anything to do with intelligence, but one thing cannot be denied – whatever it signifies, black people have a big problem performing on intelligence tests. The consistency of the results, if it is unconnected to intelligence, is clearly connected to something, or the results wouldn’t be so damnedly consistent. . . . "
     
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    Voting on Trump has nothing to do with "And that personal accusation is all you got after over a month after me proving that racism against black people is institutionalized." and you claiming many black people would disagree. While I proved differently.

    My sources stand and I proved systemic racism.
     
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    So you wrote something, but it means nothing at all.
    Bravo.
     
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    So you agree that HRW and Hamilton do not SAY that they know the exact people in the country who are committing drug crime! :roflol:
     

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