Ranked Vote: How Can We Prevent Societal Rifts From Expanding into Violence?

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  1. Meta777

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    Serious times we're in folks... (where have I heard that before?)
    Fitting then for recent events to be included as part of this serious series. I know its been a while, but I'm back at it once more and that means its time for another round of Ranked Votes which cover some of the pressing issues of our time! And to kick things off, this vote is going to be a two-for-one deal, so also make sure to check out this vote's companion thread if you get a chance:
    Ranked Vote: How Should We Respond to Foreign Attempts at Sowing Discord and Violence?

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    And with that, the topic this time around is figuring out what we need to do to Prevent Societal Rifts From Expanding into Violence...
    or at least how to mitigate the damage if we are unable to stop it completely.

    I'm sure by now that pretty much everyone is aware of the various recent events that have been in the news lately; the 10 pipe-bombs that were mailed to prominent political figures, the violent clashes between rival groups like AntiFa and the Proud Boys, and the recent indictments of several Russian agents who appear to have been actively instigating this sort of thing. These are all serious issues. The instigation efforts essentially amount to terrorism.

    Though that said, however much of a hand foreign governments may have in stuff like this, its clear to me at least, that we really ought to have a strategy for handling things when it all goes south regardless. Because Russia may indeed be out to expand and exploit the divide between us, but that divide exists between real Americans, and predates Russian influence, so even as we act to counter Russian efforts to sow violence, I believe we should also be considering how we go about shrinking the divide between us, preventing political violence in general, and coming up with a response plan for the unfortunate case that violence does break out.

    For anyone new to the Ranked Vote series, this thread is part of a group of threads geared towards taking important issues, coming up with a broad range of potential solutions to them, and voting on which of those solutions are the best, using ranked methods for tallying the votes:
    Ranked Vote: Discussion Thread (includes schedule)
    What To Do To Reduce Partisan Dysfunction In Politics
    Solutions Oriented Approach to Restoring Meaningful Civil Discourse

    The original discussion thread regarding the subject can be found here:
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...al-rifts-from-expanding-into-violence.543729/

    Below is the current list of suggestions.

    How Can We Prevent Societal Rifts From Expanding into Violence?:
    A. Remove Press Protections such as the Actual Malice Standard
    B. Relax Inciteful Speech Exception to 1st Amendment and base it off audience size
    C. Hold Politicians to Higher Standard for Inciteful Speech and impose stiff penalties & fines on violators
    D. Impose Civil Liability statues on state and local jurisdictions which do not enforce breach of peace laws

    E. Get Politicians and other leaders to tone down their rhetoric in general [1][2]
    F. Stem violence by addressing inequality, healthcare, low wages, homelessness, and automation induced job loss
    G. Hold our emotions in check and remember that we are all Americans and that propaganda is meant to divide and not unite
    H. Eliminate the electoral college
    I. Mandate that electoral college votes be apportioned by the popular vote
    J. Eliminate Sunshine laws in order to grease the wheels for congressional compromise
    K. Eliminate Gerrymandering and political involvement in drawing voting districts
    L. Eliminate soft money, PACs, corporate & union campaign contributions and control self-contributions to reduce voter cynicism

    M. Get Main Stream Media to discontinue demonizing opposing factions [1][2]
    N. Fight Back in Self-defense if you are Attacked [1][2][3]
    O. Ensure Open Access to Information, including Spin Narratives
    P0. Elect New Class of Leaders Concerned with Problem Solving Rather than Politics
    P1. Elect Ambitious Leaders who Empower and Inspire Others to Achieve a Vision
    P2. Elect Leaders who Share Credit in Success and Take Responsibility for Mistakes
    P3. Elect Leaders who Unite Rather than Divide
    P4. Elect Leaders who project quiet strength, rising above slights, who listen to and respect other voices

    P5. Elect Leaders like John McCain with Uncompromising Values who can be Respected by both sides and act as Umpire
    Q. Recognize Ad Hominem name-calling and Commit to Avoid Engaging in it
    R. Deal with Ideas Rather than Pejoratives and Personal Attacks Towards People
    S. More Guns, Everyone should have their own gun
    T. Ignore People who Engage in Ad Hominem Attacks
    U. Arrest and Fine All Protesters who Gather Illegally in the Streets without a Permit
    V. More Suspensions and or Firings when Employees Engage in Racially Abusive Language
    W. Enforce the Law, Evenly and Consistently, but also Aggressively
    X. Get rid of multiculturalism and identity politics
    Y. Get rid of all of the labels - we're all Americans
    Z. If you don't like living in the country, move
    %. Those who shoot cops or attack people should be arrested and vigorously prosecuted
    &. Make sedition a prosecutable offense
    $. Get rid of PACs other Special interest groups and such
    #. Minimize federal government and federal powers

    ?. End the Federal Government, Tear Up the Constitution, and Split into Sovereign States
    @. Clearly Define what Constitutes Voter Suppression and make it a Criminal and Civil Offense
    !0. No new actions should be taken beyond what is already being done (Status Quo Option)
    !1. Don't Feel Qualified/Knowledgeable Enough To Vote In This Poll
    !2. No Strong Feelings One Way Or The Other
    As of posting this, this thread is now open for voting. So post your votes as soon as you're ready. If anyone wants to nominate something which isn't currently in the list of options, you can do so by posting the option in this thread or as a "write-in" part of your vote. I will add these additional options to the list as we go and anyone who wants to change or amend their vote can do so. Aside from that...

    To participate in this vote, simply
    cast a ballot by making a post in this thread with
    a list of the above noted option letters sorted in your order of preference.

    (you don't have to include them all, but including more gives your vote more chance to have an impact)
    B, C, D, F, H, M

    B. Automation-Induced Job-Loss
    C. Unemployment and Underemployment in General
    D. Partisan Dysfunction in Congress
    F. Too Many Restrictions on Abortion
    H. Too Much Gun Violence
    M. Global Warming

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    -Meta
     
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    Y, W, P0, G, Q
     
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    Here's my vote:

    P3,P0,W,Y,F,E,C,G,R,Q,@,K,M,T,B,L,$,D,P4,P5,V,I,H,P2,P1,!0

    P3. Elect Leaders who Unite Rather than Divide
    P0. Elect New Class of Leaders Concerned with Problem Solving Rather than Politics
    W. Enforce the Law, Evenly and Consistently, but also Aggressively
    Y. Get rid of all of the labels - we're all Americans
    F. Stem violence by addressing inequality, healthcare, low wages, homelessness, and automation induced job loss
    E. Get Politicians and other leaders to tone down their rhetoric in general [1][2]
    C. Hold Politicians to Higher Standard for Inciteful Speech and impose stiff penalties & fines on violators
    G. Hold our emotions in check and remember that we are all Americans and that propaganda is meant to divide and not unite
    R. Deal with Ideas Rather than Pejoratives and Personal Attacks Towards People
    Q. Recognize Ad Hominem name-calling and Commit to Avoid Engaging in it
    @. Clearly Define what Constitutes Voter Suppression and make it a Criminal and Civil Offense
    K. Eliminate Gerrymandering and political involvement in drawing voting districts
    M. Get Main Stream Media to discontinue demonizing opposing factions [1][2]
    T. Ignore People who Engage in Ad Hominem Attacks
    B. Relax Inciteful Speech Exception to 1st Amendment and base it off audience size
    L. Eliminate soft money, PACs, corporate & union campaign contributions and control self-contributions to reduce voter cynicism
    $. Get rid of PACs other Special interest groups and such
    D. Impose Civil Liability statues on state and local jurisdictions which do not enforce breach of peace laws
    P4. Elect Leaders who project quiet strength, rising above slights, who listen to and respect other voices
    P5. Elect Leaders like John McCain with Uncompromising Values who can be Respected by both sides and act as Umpire
    V. More Suspensions and or Firings when Employees Engage in Racially Abusive Language
    I. Mandate that electoral college votes be apportioned by the popular vote
    H. Eliminate the electoral college
    P2. Elect Leaders who Share Credit in Success and Take Responsibility for Mistakes
    P1. Elect Ambitious Leaders who Empower and Inspire Others to Achieve a Vision
    !0. No new actions should be taken beyond what is already being done (Status Quo Option)

    -Meta
     
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    M,N,P0,A,R,Q,!0

    I voted this way because if my first 6 options fail, I rather keep the status quo than do the other alternatives.
     
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    Yup, definitely understand, I actually did the same thing.
    Though I sort of feel like there are a bunch of options which deserve to be given a try before we just give up and resolve to doing nothing, there were also a good number of ideas which I just didn't think were good at all and that I thought would probably do more harm than good, so like you I left such ideas off my vote and made sure to include the !0 option to indicate my preference for the status quo over those other options.

    -Meta
     
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    Do nothing and let it work itself out.
     
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    I disagree that that's a good idea (even though I just got done saying it was still preferable to some others),
    but I'll go ahead and mark you down for option,
    !0
     
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    Given recent events, I'm surprised more folks don't have an opinion on this...
     
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    Are you implying these events would not take place if not for the evil "Internet"?

    You seem to imply these events justify censorship.

    I'm a strong !0. The collective will destroy the Internet as we know it if they come to power.
     
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    No. o_O Where in the world did you get that idea from???

    Again, what are you basing that interpretation off of?
    BTW, I have you marked down for,
    !0
    But now I'm curious, did you actually read through all the other options?
    You know the vast majority of them have nothing at all to do with censorship, right?...

    -Meta
     
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    Well... you post a bunch of violent events then ask...

    You imply the events and this subject are related. Then I call you on it and you deny it and wonder where I got that idea from...

    The Internet is constantly changing. Common sense and education are always advisable. Just don't make me pay for it.

    As for you linking violent events with a thread on Internet censorship and trying to imply they are linked, I say that evil lurks on the data nets of the future just as it lurked on the roads in the past, but in the end, it was never the road that was evil.
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    I think you may want to go back and reread the OP. This thread is not about internet censorship.
    The thread is about what things we can do to prevent societal rifts from expanding into violence.

    -Meta
     
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    My bad, wrong thread.

    How do we stop haters from hating? 1st, one must know hate. Hating the haters only produces more hate as does ignoring the hatred.

    Why do people hate? Hating is gratifying. The more a trump hater, for example, hates on trump, the more gratified they feel. Each day they dwell in hate and try to out hate the hatred they originally hated. As hatred consumes them, they end up becoming what they hate, and break down mentally. In the end no action is needed because hatred is self destructive.

    If you want to chill people out who are consumed by hatred, you have to be like the free hug guy. "You" must confront the hate and speak love to it. Hate feels good, but love feels better. It's a lot of work...

    Maybe "hate" needs a warning label? I'm sure it causes cancer and all kinds of other raz.
     
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    So still !0 then? OK. I still disagree that that's the best option.
    But your explanation for it does make sense. Thanks,

    -Meta
     
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    Remove is a strong term.... but yes.... this would work....
    I will give this a seven out of ten......
    A. Remove Press Protections such as the Actual Malice Standard

    B. Relax Inciteful Speech Exception to 1st Amendment and base it off audience size
    Wow...... four out of ten........

    C. Hold Politicians to Higher Standard for Inciteful Speech and impose stiff penalties & fines on violators..... sounds like a 6.9 out of ten to me.....

    D. Impose Civil Liability statues on state and local jurisdictions which do not enforce breach of peace laws..... wow.... this is over my head.... but I will give it a 6.8 out of ten........

    E. Get Politicians and other leaders to tone down their rhetoric in general [1][2]
    This I will give a 7.1 out of ten......


    F. Stem violence by addressing inequality, healthcare, low wages, homelessness, and automation induced job loss .... I have to give this an eight out of ten.......

    and on that note...... "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge".......
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ump-quite-libertarian.544916/#post-1069828969

    G. Hold our emotions in check and remember that we are all Americans and that propaganda is meant to divide and not unite Wow........ I think that this deserves an 8.1 out of ten.....

    H. Eliminate the electoral college... I am Canadian and don't quite understand this idea... but I will give it a 5.9 out of ten..... This seems to have potential.....

    I. Mandate that electoral college votes be apportioned by the popular vote ..... OK.... 6 out of ten.....

    J. Eliminate Sunshine laws in order to grease the wheels for congressional compromise I don't comprehend this either.... but it sounds like it is worth at least a five out of ten....

    K. Eliminate Gerrymandering and political involvement in drawing voting districts... This would certainly help up here in Canada as well......... 4.7 out of ten.....

    L. Eliminate soft money, PACs, corporate & union campaign contributions and control self-contributions to reduce voter cynicism..... Wow...... my head is kind of hurting.......... I think I will get some exercise and get back to this....... but this sounds like a solid 7 to me...... Ok.....8...... wow!!!!!! I am not worthy to be a member of this phenomenal forum!!!!!
     
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    @DennisTate, you did not follow the rules of the thread, lol!
    Would you just like me to mark you down for the following?
    G,F,L,E,A,C,D,I,H,J,K,B
    G. Hold our emotions in check and remember that we are all Americans and that propaganda is meant to divide and not unite (8.1)
    F. Stem violence by addressing inequality, healthcare, low wages, homelessness, and automation induced job loss (8 )
    L. Eliminate soft money, PACs, corporate & union campaign contributions and control self-contributions to reduce voter cynicism (7-8 )
    E. Get Politicians and other leaders to tone down their rhetoric in general [1][2] (7.1)
    A. Remove Press Protections such as the Actual Malice Standard (7)
    C. Hold Politicians to Higher Standard for Inciteful Speech and impose stiff penalties & fines on violators (6.9)
    D. Impose Civil Liability statues on state and local jurisdictions which do not enforce breach of peace laws (6.8 )
    I. Mandate that electoral college votes be apportioned by the popular vote (6)
    H. Eliminate the electoral college (5.9)
    J. Eliminate Sunshine laws in order to grease the wheels for congressional compromise (5)
    K. Eliminate Gerrymandering and political involvement in drawing voting districts (4.7)
    B. Relax Inciteful Speech Exception to 1st Amendment and base it off audience size (4)
    ...or are you still looking over options M-@???
     
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    Still looking......... did a few reps with the dry mop and mop and just made it back......

    M. Get Main Stream Media to discontinue demonizing opposing factions [1][2] .... now how does one do that?????? in the first century some of the most zealous Jewish scholars demonized Paul for stealing Jewish souls...... and by the third century..... Roman Catholics demonized Jews for this that and everything else...... So if the leading Philosophers in any give time period .... demonize their opponents...... how much more so will reporters be tempted to make this same error.........??????? Four out of ten........ sound impractical?????

    N. Fight Back in Self-defense if you are Attacked [1][2][3] ......This is what everybody is doing now.... that isn't working well at all... three out of ten....

    O. Ensure Open Access to Information, including Spin Narratives
    Again..... how can one do this..... other than on non-profit political forums like this one???? Thee point nine out of ten....

    P0. Elect New Class of Leaders Concerned with Problem Solving Rather than Politics Wow.... this has potential...... I have read that in ancient Egypt the Egyptians deliberately induce a near death experience in the Pharaoh....... and then afterward the Pharaoh would tend to exalt wise people like Joseph / Yosef who had good answers to pressing problems...... Eight point one out of ten.......... Elect Dannion Brinkley for starters..... or make him Artistic Director of the NSA - CIA.... something like that......

    If Dannion Brinkley's campaign gains momentum.... the G.O.P. can be reformed!

    P1. Elect Ambitious Leaders who Empower and Inspire Others to Achieve a Vision

    I have been working on that:
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...mocratic-party.489935/page-15#post-1069429522
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...long-with-oprah.527699/page-2#post-1068939059
    six point six out of ten.....


    P2. Elect Leaders who Share Credit in Success and Take Responsibility for Mistakes Wow..... how in the world can we do this though????? six point five out of ten.....

    P3. Elect Leaders who Unite Rather than Divide Wow...... I am actually aspiring to put a problem in front of every other M. P. candidate here in Central - Nova for this up coming 2019 election..... Seven point seven out of ten.....

    If average ocean levels rose by eight to ten cms (3 or 4 inches) could high tide...
    ... rise by one meter in the Isthmus of Chignecto in Nova Scotia, Canada?
    This question is logical because the geography of Canada's Bay of Fundy produces the world's highest tides. In my part of Nova Scotia in Guysborough County there is very little funnelling of tidal waters......... so high tide is only about one to one point five meters above low tide.

    In the eastern area of the Bay of Fundy high tide levels are up by ten to fifteen meters.


     
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    Dude... dave... you like... do everything and anything to prevent violence.

    Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Some of these options are just dumb. People who will trade liberty for security deserve neither. Don't submit to the call of the collective.
     
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    Alright. In that case, pending a third update, I now have you marked down for the following:
    G,P0,F,L,P3,E,A,C,D,P1,P2,I,H,J,K,B,M,O,N

    G. Hold our emotions in check and remember that we are all Americans and that propaganda is meant to divide and not unite (8.1)
    P0. Elect New Class of Leaders Concerned with Problem Solving Rather than Politics (8.1)
    F. Stem violence by addressing inequality, healthcare, low wages, homelessness, and automation induced job loss (8 )
    L. Eliminate soft money, PACs, corporate & union campaign contributions and control self-contributions to reduce voter cynicism (7-8 )
    P3. Elect Leaders who Unite Rather than Divide (7.7)
    E. Get Politicians and other leaders to tone down their rhetoric in general [1][2] (7.1)
    A. Remove Press Protections such as the Actual Malice Standard (7)
    C. Hold Politicians to Higher Standard for Inciteful Speech and impose stiff penalties & fines on violators (6.9)
    D. Impose Civil Liability statues on state and local jurisdictions which do not enforce breach of peace laws (6.8 )
    P1. Elect Ambitious Leaders who Empower and Inspire Others to Achieve a Vision (6.6)
    P2. Elect Leaders who Share Credit in Success and Take Responsibility for Mistakes (6.5)
    I. Mandate that electoral college votes be apportioned by the popular vote (6)
    H. Eliminate the electoral college (5.9)
    J. Eliminate Sunshine laws in order to grease the wheels for congressional compromise (5)
    K. Eliminate Gerrymandering and political involvement in drawing voting districts (4.7)
    B. Relax Inciteful Speech Exception to 1st Amendment and base it off audience size (4)
    M. Get Main Stream Media to discontinue demonizing opposing factions [1][2] (4)
    O. Ensure Open Access to Information, including Spin Narratives (3.9)
    N. Fight Back in Self-defense if you are Attacked [1][2][3] (3)
    ...BTW, interesting commentary.
     
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    C,D,E,F,G,L,O,P0, P1,P2,P3,P4,

    P0 to P5 are worthy aims, but are very optimistic.
     
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    Here are all the votes I have recorded so far:
    Y,W,P0,G,Q
    P3,P0,W,Y,F,E,C,G,R,Q,@,K,M,T,B,L,$,D,P4,P5,V,I,H,P2,P1,!0
    M,N,P0,A,R,Q,!0
    !0
    !0
    G,P0,F,L,P3,E,A,C,D,P1,P2,I,H,J,K,B,M,O,N
    C,D,E,F,G,L,O,P0, P1,P2,P3,P4
     
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    Seven votes so far. Definitely better than the other thread,
    but I think we can do better. I mean c'mon, the immigration
    vote eventually got 12, and the list of options there was way longer.
     
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