So, If Islam has the right to their oppressive outdated culture and the West have no right to intervene or influence them to change as you said then does this mean we should close all our borders to Muslims? Not accept Muslims students in our universities, colleges and schools? Ignore Arabs and other Muslims call for us to intervene in their struggle against their oppressive Islamic regime and to help them establish democracy in their lands?
God through Jesus Christ has clarify that we should love one another, let those who are not sinners cast the first stone, Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. We are all children of God. We now understand that murdering unborn babies is wrong, we understand stoning is wrong, slavery is wrong. Millions of Christians agree on this. Islam on the other hand continue to struggle and thousands of Arabs and Muslims come to us for help and we provide help we open our borders, our community, we send our aid workers, our soldiers, doctors, nurses and teachers all risking their lives to help them against an army of radical Muslims. For the last decades God has not been revealing to us any new revelation anymore because God has already accomplished it through Jesus Christ and the Apostles it is now up to humanity to continue on and the only time God will again intervene when humanity again fails.
We did - and they have Islamic democracy. Their right. We've been all through it. I have no more to say.
And since there was never an Islamic modernization all Muslims and their sympathizers have is a nostalgic memory that once a time Islam was modern and now radicals have ceased control and kept Islam ancient for hundred of years. So, where is this Islamic democracy in Saudi, Kuwait, Iraq, Pakistan? So you agree that we the West need to respond and intervene in helping the Arabs and Muslims fight against radical Islam and help them establish democracy? If yes isn't this interference that you are very much against?
One form of Islamic Democracy Another. Another. If you look it up there are several other Islamic countries who practise a form of Democracy. And before you come back read below. I've told you before, you cannot expect Western forms of Democracy, much as you wish it. Would you let the Arabs take over the Government of Canada and impose Islam on you. As far as they are concerned your Parliamentary system is corrupt, as is that of many secular countries. Now just go away and study.
Surely an intelligent person such as yourself knows the difference between Democracy and Totalitarianism. People have the right to vote, or not, in Iran. Whilst all candidates are recommended Islamic faithful, there is a choice. Not only that but they have far more rights than any person in North Korea. Iran is a democratic theocracy, something the West does not understand or want to understand. In North Korea elections their is no choice of voting or not or who to vote for. If you don't turn up to vote - you're in trouble. If you are sick - you're visited by an official who takes your vote. There is no name to mark, you simply turn up, take a slip, and put it into one of two boxes. Yes or No. And if you choose the wrong box - you're in trouble. That's why the turnout is always nearly 100%. There is no choice. Strange sort of Democracy as we know Democracy in the West. No - North Korea is not Democratic. That sort of 'Democracy' in the West died out with Communism.
1. Iran and Pakistan a democracy??? 2. Iran and Pakistan citizens have more rights and freedom and less corrupt than Canada? Truly then your biased and anti West is really clear here so let us discuss this further. Islam and democracy is not compatible there is no such thing as Islamic democracy if there is then there is also totalitarian democracy and since we know there is no such thing your claim that Iran and Pakistan is democratic is false people there have no freedom of speech, freedom to vote freely without fear of death and their safety at risk. If Iran and Pakistan are democratic as you claim then atheist and agnostics should not fear to share their concept and way of life there. Then why agnostics and atheist can not prosper in Iran or in Pakistan? Arabs and Muslims that Canada have welcome have become good Canadians and many of them have went back to their native country to spread true democracy that is why the radical Muslims are aggressively stepping up their aggression against Arabs and Muslims to stop them from changing their country into a true democratic nation separating Islam from State government. the Arab spring were led by majority of western educated Muslims and Arabs. Intelligent people must not and will not go away if we do it will leave the doors open to all sorts of false history spread by anti West people.
Those elections are rigged. Both of these pictures are from IRINN coverage of the 2009 presidential election. The upper picture shows Mohsen Rezaee with 633,048 votes. The bottom one is from four hours later and shows him with 587,913 votes.
You see YOUR bias. Yes, Iran and Pakistan have a form of Democracy. Their form of Democracy. Because you don't like it doesn't mean it is not Democracy. As to you other paragraph. Once again your imagination runs riot. You've misunderstood what I have said or deliberately altered ti to suit yourself. Where did I say that? What I said was that the people of Iran and Pakistan had more rights that those of North Korea. Your inability to understand or bother to read what I say is appalling. What's the matter with you? The last question is too complicated to go into in detail. Suffice it to say that if I went out into the local city and started to defame Islam, I would be arrested. I guess it's the same in your country. There are laws which are appropriate to individual countries, depending on their status. Iran is an Islamic Democracy which has laws made by Islamic leaders, elected by Islamic voters. Why do you not allow Islam in Canada it's own way of life? Because it's your country and your rules. Iran and Pakistan are Islamic countries. In normal times they live quite happily in their own way. Good Canadians would integrate and follow Canadian laws. Put aside Sharia laws. You're blind to the truth of Islam, just as your blind to the truth of Christianity. For goodness sake WarRen try to understand that the vast numbers of followers of Islam are quite happy to follow Islam in normal times. Most are leaving the Middle East under provocation from Radicals. How many Muslims have you seen arriving in Canada and giving up their religion? They congregate where they can practise their religion and Sharia Law. Christianity has been just as dogmatic in the past. Christianity ruled the West for centuries. Millions were killed by the Church to maintain Church authority. Islam has yet to learn that it cannot control people forever. Be thankful that you are in the West. For the last time. Islam and Christianity are mere religions worshipping an unknown and unknowable god who may, of may not, exist somewhere outside the expanding universe. I support neither. I've simply exposed your bias against Islam, and your ignorance of reality. By the way. did you know that there is a seat in the Iranian Parliament for Christians. Goodbye.
That's the Presidential Election. Why would anyone want to 'rig' a general election when a Muslim is going to be elected in each seat anyway. It's simply a choice of which candidate you prefer. This is an Islamic Democrary. Western rules do not apply.
Clearly this message contradicts the one given previously. "Let he without sin cast the first stone" as opposed to "You must stone an adulterer" The same goes with the other of Gods previous edicts. 1) We are to kill disbelievers, those who worship God's other than the God of Abraham and those suspected of disbelief and their families. This includes killing women, children an Babies in towns where a few disbelievers are found. 2) Allow selling of one's daughters into slavery 3) No eating Pork Obviously God changed his message as the second message contradicts the first (Don't eat Pork : It's okay to eat Pork, Kill disbelievers : Judge not lest you be Judged) God does change his message. No if's and's or but's about it.
A few reformists get through, but that's mainly because the Iranians want to keep up the illusion of democracy.
1. It is clear that you do not understand what democracy is for you Iran and Pakistan are democratic even though clearly they do not accept freedom of speech. Recognizing Iran and Pakistan is not democratic is not biased recognizing Iran and Pakistan are Islamic government and country is not biased. 2. Your anti West propaganda is not working. 3. Thousands of Arabs and Muslims have been integrated into Canada and the West and many of them have return to their native country to spread true democracy that triggered the Arab spring. While radical Muslims are at the same time spreading hatred and bigotry in Canada and in the West calling for Muslims to harm us that is what Canada and the West can not and will never accept from Muslims. 4. How many Muslims have left their country because of oppression and persecution thousands and thousands because their Islamic way of life does not work and they know that their Sharia Law is outdated and not suited for modern society. 5. Be thankful that you are in the West allowed to spread your anti West sentiments. Agnostic and atheist are not acceptable in Muslim society this include Muslim communities in the West. 6. I presented your biased position against the West and Christianity, Christianity is real because God is real your denial of facts and reality has cause you to speak favorably of Islam. If you are sincere you should preach your agnostic view in Muslim community they need it more than we do. 7. Do you know that Christians are not allowed to preach or share the Gospel with Muslims while Muslims are allowed to share their Quran with Christians in Iran same in every Muslim country.
Islamic democracy is a political ideology that seeks to apply Islamic principles to public policy within a democratic framework. Islamic political theory specifies three basic features of an Islamic democracy: leaders must be elected by the people, subject to sharia and committed to practicing "shura", a special form of consultation practiced by Muhammad, which one can find in various hadiths, with their community.[1] Countries which fulfil the three basic features include Iran, Pakistan and Malaysia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_democracy Read and weep. Now go away.
