Real Freedom Fighters in Syria

As you fight for the Obama regime.

What determines whether you fight for your "regime" or for your "country/people"? Or is it not just both?

 

First of all...I do not fight...if I can help it.

Secondly there is a difference between fighting to defend the Constitution of the United States and fighting to ensure the continuance of rule of a brutal dictator.

The person fighting to defend the U.S. Constitution is doing so to defend something of great value to not only that person but an entire nation of people.

The person fighting to keep Assad in power is doing so to keep getting the spoils taken from the rest of the people in Syria.

AboveAlpha

 

Surely you would defend Washington DC and the Obama regime, if threat came to pass there, right? (obviously hypothetical as there's not much chance of that : ) )

If so, why couldn't I say you're not fighting for your country or your constitution, but you're fighting for your leader to hold onto power, as you are saying in the case of Syria?

You are re-claiming that they are different, but not specifying why.

Seems it just boils down to who's a dictator and who isn't? What makes Assad different than Obama? It's not votes, as he's in office from a vote of the people.

 

The Syrian Election is a JOKE.

The Assad Regime will not allow any candidate to run against Assad who has not already been pre-picked by the regime to run.

The U.N. has called the Syrian Elections as a Electoral System constructed by the Assad Regime to guarantee Assad will win....so you cannot compare a U.S. Presidential Election to the election of Assad.

When a person is sworn in to the U.S. Armed Services this is what they swear....

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

AboveAlpha

 

Same as the USA. Did you know that Republicrats have made laws to disenfranchize third parties? That's why we have a "two" party system. Because independents were stifled BY LAW. The US democracy is just as much a joke.

We don't even count our votes anymore! The corporation tells us what their computer says for who won.

Want to get started on disenfranchizement of voters, state and local election fraud, and the flawed electoral college system disenfranchizing many more voters?

Do you want to bring in the UN as an official source for this debate? Because if so, your anti-Assad forces will get SMEARED by the determinations made by the UN, at which point Assad will stand taller than the Lord himself (by comparison, not literally of course).

How about chemical weapons? How about ritual executions, pressganging recruits by murdering the families of those who refuse to take up arms against Assad? etc. Did you know that opposition forces are now conducting genocide in Northern Syria and systematically eradicating Kurds?

That's nice but do you reckon the Syrian army gives an oath like that to Assad? If not that's a non-point. I imagine Syrian forces give a similar oath to their country, not their leader.

BTW, swearing doesn't mean much. Obama swore to uphold the Constitution, even though he has violated it to a world record of over 300,000,000 counts.

 

Whatever the issues the U.S. Election system might have it cannot be compared to the completely fake election system in Syria.

If fact Syria is so repressive you would not even be allowed to post as you have here.

AboveAlpha

 

What's the system like in Saudi Arabia, the closest US ally in the Middle East next to Israel?

 

Are you aware that the Syrian Revolution began with the slogans of 'no sectarianism, no violence, no outside interference'. It was not as you seem to suggest a sectarian revolution.

That is has become that through outside interference is well known

 

Saudi Arabia is a Kingdom as I am certain you already know. There is no electoral process.

However even though I abhor any Royalty or Dictatorship...unlike Assad's regime in Syria...the Saudi Royalty make certain that the citizens of Saudi Arabia have the Highest Income in the World.

If you were ever to go to Saudi Arabia there has been built enormous indoor public parks, recreation centers and you would notice that you would not find a single person looking depressed as the Saudi Royalty make certain every citizen is provided for.

The trouble comes from non-citizens who are there to work or are there for religious purposes.

AboveAlpha

 

Those slogans were created by Assad's PR people.

Take a look at the long report I have provided from Amnesty International.

It is a 2013 report detailing the atrocities caused by the Assad regime.

There is no possible way despite any SPIN people might place upon this issue that Assad is one slippery and devious murderous dictator.

He was in training years ago in Lebanon before his father passed away and before he became the new Syrian Dictator.

AboveAlpha

 

You lost us at Russian soldiers. Change it to Canadian.

 

Read the Amnesty International Report that details exactly what these supposed...Soldiers have done.

AboveAlpha

 

What Russians have done? You dont have to tell me. Horrible people.

[video=youtube;nfPWfaPQ79Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfPWfaPQ79Y[/video]

 

The only thing Putin want's is the money from the Missile Sales and to make certain who ever is in power in Syria keeps sending him his royalty check from the pipeline.

AboveAlpha

 

Like in Lybia, irak and Egypt ?

I'm sorry. You can't install western style democracy in Middle-east. It's will soon be highjacked by the anti-democrate majority AKA pro-sariah muslims supported by gulfs powers and their allies.

Thanks the Oil. You think democracy could be remplace by wealth then ? What sort of democrat supporter are you if you think money can repay for a free electoral system.

 

we already have volumes to read on US soldiers around the world so later maybe on the Syrian ones

at least the Syrian soldiers are fighting in their OWN country and not half way across the world in someone elses!

 

and those allies ARE! the supposed Western Democratic lecturers!

Europe and America is even less democratic than Egypt!

At least we will get out our chairs and fight for our future!

You sit and home getting pepper sprayed and spied upon and put in jail for whistleblowing if you want in your democratic heaven

Let's see Americans try to do a sit in and build walls and barricades outside the Pentagon and see how long your democratic government allows that !

 

hahaha. You dont even believe that. When was the last time your rulers cared about what you think? When did they let you decide which one gets to be the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) in charge?

 

The Syrian Peoples Army versus the Western backed FSA (Foreign Savages Army)

Which would you choose?



OpEgypt

 

Germany? Seems like a German amount of beers to be taking on a hunting trip. I apologize, I had assumed you were Syrian or something. A person whose country is being torn apart because their dictator didn't want to face an election.

 

Sunni and Shia praying together

Guess where ? and you can bet that OBOMBA and his sick Jihadist friends will want to put a stop to it!



Tehran

 

Violent attacks on civilians by the al-Assad regime have continued to escalate in brutality as the government and opposition forces vie for control of strategic locations. According to the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights in February 2013, the death toll in Syria was approaching 70,000 – an overwhelming increase since July 2011, when Genocide Watch issued its first Genocide Alert for Syria. As of April 2012, the U.N. Refugee Agency recorded over 1,300,000 refugees having fled to neighboring countries, mainly Jordan, Lebanon, and Turkey.

As the intense struggle for power continues between the al-Assad regime and opposition fighters, the government has tried to close off borders and shut down the Internet. However, information on the mass atrocities has been obtained from victims and witnesses by the U.N. Human Rights Council, the BBC, Human Rights Watch, and the Arab League’s Commission of Inquiry. Video footage of the violence and witness testimonies continue to surface on the Internet and are broadcast on world mass media. Although the U.N. Commission of Inquiry on Syria has cited abuses on both sides, their report in February 2013 held that government atrocities far outweighed those committed by rebels.

The evidence is conclusive that the al-Assad regime is committing intentional crimes against humanity. Among the crimes the al-Assad regime is committing are: indiscriminant, widespread attacks on civilians, arbitrary detention of thousands in the political opposition, genocidal massacres of whole villages of Sunni Muslims, rape of detainees, widespread torture- including torture and murder of children- and denial of food, medicines and other essential resources to civilians.

The Alawite government of al-Assad believes it is about to lose all power in a zero-sum, winner take all revolution. Its massacres have become genocidal. Early warning signs and stages of genocide in Syria are:

Prior unpunished genocidal massacres, such as those perpetrated by Assad’s father in Hama in the 1980’s;
Rule by a minority sect – the Alawite sect that supports Assad – with an exclusionary ideology
Systematic human rights atrocities;
Fear by the ruling elite that any compromise will mean total loss of their power;
Deliberate targeting of particular groups -- Sunni Muslims and army defectors;
Denial by the Syrian government that it is committing crimes against humanity, blaming “foreign - inspired terrorist gangs” for the armed conflict.

Previous efforts by the U.N. Security Council to pass a resolution proposed by the Arab League, calling for the resignation of President Assad and supporting an Arab League peace plan, were impeded by Russia and China’s veto. A nearly identical U.N. General Assembly Resolution was passed in 2012 by a vote of 137 to 12, and the past U.N. Secretary General, Kofi Annan, denounced the al-Assad regime’s crimes against humanity. Shortly thereafter, Navi Pillay, the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, issued a recommendation that the U.N. Security Council refer evidence of atrocities committed by government forces in Syria to the International Criminal Court. In April 2012, a peace proposal called for a UN-supervised ceasefire, but the deadline passed with no lessening of violence. Plans such as the U.N. Supervision Mission in Syria have continued to fallthrough due to the intense, ongoing violence.

http://www.genocidewatch.org/syria.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amg0gEthbpg

 

(CNN) -- When a slow-motion massacre has unfolded over the course of 15 months, it's easy to lose the world's attention. But even the most jaded gasped in horror as news emerged of the latest carnage inflicted on the Syrian people. The images from the town of Houla defied belief.

Forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad went on a systematic killing spree, murdering at least 108 people. Most shockingly, the killers targeted women and children. A U.N. representative said the victims included 49 children who were younger than 10. The al-Assad regime denied it carried out the atrocities, but U.N. officials said they saw clear evidence that the Syrian government was involved in the attacks.

Why would a regime, even a brutal dictatorship, send its thugs to kill women and children, even babies? Does it make any sense, even by the twisted logic of armed conflict and tyranny?

In a most perverse, sickening way, it makes perfect sense. And for the logic underlying this most inhuman tactic, one need only look at what has transpired in recent months and years as uprisings have sprung throughout the region, from Iran to Tunisia.

Now that Tehran has -- perhaps accidentally -- revealed that it has sent some of its forces to help al-Assad, the strategy has become even easier to understand.

The Syrian dictator is trying to restore a balance of fear, perhaps the most powerful weapon in the hands of tyrants throughout history. Killing children is supposed to intimidate the opposition.

A couple of days after the Houla massacre, a top commander of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards, Ismail Ghani, told a reporter from Iran's Isna news that "before our presence in Syria, too many people were killed by the opposition but with the physical and nonphysical presence of the Islamic republic, big massacres in Syria were prevented." Isna quickly deleted the interview, but the news was out.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/31/opinion/ghitis-syria-killing-children



The Syrian town of Daraya was counting its dead yesterday, hurriedly excavating mass graves for the scores of victims of what may be one of the bloodiest door-to-door operations by the regime so far.

Amateur videos showed bodies lined up in the town's buildings, including grim footage of dozens of corpses in the local mosque.

The exact death toll from the six-day assault on the Sunni town just south-west of Damascus could not be immediately verified, but activists put the count at more than 300. They claimed many were killed "execution-style" on Saturday as the regime raided buildings following their shelling campaign, saying many of the dead were found dead huddled in basements where they had gathered to shelter.

On entering the town late on Friday after five days of bombardment from helicopters and tanks, regime troops are said to have moved about 200 metres at a time. They would then shell the streets in front of them and raid the area, activists said. The state news agency claimed to have "cleansed" Daraya of "terrorist groups".

An activist who works in humanitarian rescue operations and did not wish to be named said she managed to gain access to the area on Saturday and had been deeply shaken by what she saw. At one checkpoint she said she witnessed soldiers become aggravated after stopping three men who were not carrying their identification cards.

"They took them behind a barricade of sandbags and slaughtered them there," she said. "I saw splashes of blood but then started vomiting and couldn't look anymore."

Later, she said she helped pull five family members from their bombed- out home, including a heavily pregnant woman and her eight-month-old niece named Tuqa. "We could smell blood and rot everywhere," she said. "They had hidden in the bathroom when the house was bombed and that's why they were still alive. Others outside the bathroom died. [Tuqa] was full of shrapnel and had serious burns on her body, especially the neck."

After treating the family and moving them to safety, the activist said she broke down, crying for "four hours non-stop".

Though women and children numbered among the dead, most of those in videos posted online appeared to be young men. A preliminary list of 197 names of those killed, compiled by activists yesterday, also largely consisted of male names, indicating that the regime may have been targeting in its raids those it suspected of being fighters.

The departure of UN observers makes the reports of such atrocities more difficult than ever to verify and activists have had to backtrack on their death tolls for such "massacres" in the past. Still, there were numerous accounts of large-scale killings. Dr Mo'ath, who tended to the injured throughout the assault, said many were shot as they tried to flee.

"The snipers opened fire on every move they saw," he said. "I treated a six-year-old child who was shot by a sniper in both legs and had also lost two fingers. His three-year-old brother had been killed. His father had to make a very hard choice and leave the body of his three-year-old there to carry his alive son in order to rescue him."

He said he was forced to work with kitchen knives and stitch people's injuries with sewing thread due to a lack of equipment after regime troops set fire to the town's main pharmacy and a field hospital.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...atrocity-on-anew-scale-in-daraya-8082071.html

 

No. It's not matter of Assad. Much worse people will replace him. We need a strong leader. Just like Iraq needed Saddam. Just like Yugoslavia needed Josip Broz Tito. Just like Libya needed Gaddafi. Just like East Germany needed Honecker. Just like South Africa needed P.W. Botha. Just like Zimbabwe-Rhodesia needed Ian Smith. Just like USSR needed Andropov and CPSU. All these countries went downhill after changed was forced on them. They were much better off under those leaders.