Reflecting on abortion <<Moderator's Warning >>

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  1. TurnerAshby

    TurnerAshby Well-Known Member

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    Reproductive Rights was right there in the text.
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look, if you are emotionally attached to someone with dementia....... and you want to keep them alive to satisfy your own needs.... that is up to you

    However, imo, when a person no longer knows who they are, where they are, etc.... i do not see the point in using heroic means to keep them alive. Take my moms case of dementia, she reached a stage where she would not drink her beloved coffee because SHE DID NOT KNOW WHO IT WAS. You might find it particularly noble to keep her alive as long as possible.... i do not.

    Fortunately i do not seek your approval. And I doubt that you seek my approval... or care that i find it to be cruel to bear a child who will come into a situation where they will not be cared for or loved, or given opportunities, or good nutrition... if we encountered a drug addict who was pregnant... and wanted an abortion.... i think that would be a blessing all around

    Yes, just as there are some that are insufferably self righteous

    Yes, i feel like wise toward you
     
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    Your take I'm sure would be interesting. As to my views I'm reluctant to label an entire part of the political spectrum like that.
     
  4. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    FoxHastings said:
    Yes, and the pregnant one is the one who decides...…:)



    So if a woman becomes pregnant she loses the right to her own body, is that what you're saying?

    What crime did she commit to lose that right?

    WHO does own the woman if she alone doesn't get to decide if she'll gestate or not??
     
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    :) The "women are evil and sinful and should be punished for these sins and controlled "" meme is really siily and old....and boring and untrue, and ridiculous...and VERY TELLING...;)

    ….but some forget what their Jesus instructed......ALL people are sinners (and that includes men)...NO one is without sin.....even those who never have to face an unwanted pregnancy...
     
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    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    So?
     
  7. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

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    If she chooses to carry to term, is it an infringement if the father helps support their unintended child?
     
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    Renee Well-Known Member

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    How is he legally responsible before birth?
     
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    Renee Well-Known Member

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    if the woman agrees to it...it is her decision
     
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  10. TurnerAshby

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    If a man can waive financial responsibility to a fetus and whatever it may become? She should get the exact amount of say that he has when she decides on abortion.
     
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    LOL! I do that to frighten people ….and it works...

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    So ,"" women are evil" is just a Very Stupid meme usually made by staunch, and old, misogynists
     
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    So everyone who has sex intends to have a baby? Some of us have sex without intending to have a baby. Do you intend to have a child every time you have sex?
    Wow you really have a thing against liberated women. You keep mentioning that. You use the word liberated as a negative. So the opposite of liberated is not free ..ain’t gonna happen
     
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    Cats dogs and farm animals don't....but humans know it is a possible consequence. Humans know that with actions comes responsibility, that is, unless you convince them responsibility only belongs to government along with liberty.

    "Liberated women" is a negative.....it implies all women are victims. I've never seen them that way. Women are what they make of themselves. I admire many many women.
     
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    If they get pregnant it is their responsibility to give birth, raise and support the child, yes.
     
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    NO, it isn't. Please show the law that says women MUST give birth?


    IF there ever is such a law it would be treating women as nothing more than broodstock. animals...

    Raise and support a CHILD, yes.
     
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    And those who intend not to have a baby use contraceptives. If you do not intend to have a baby, but engage in unprotected sex, you are obviously a very stupid person with a very deep moral problem.

    Everyone who intendens to have a baby has to have sex.
    Not everyone who has sex intends to have a baby.
    Those who intended not to have a baby then ought to act in accordance with that intention, i.e. by using contraception, birth control or - if they are radical enough - get castrated. Or, they could also just practice abstinence until they are ready.

    This is not rocket-science and it is hardly a controversial belief. It is not PhD-level algebra.

    You think a woman who goes to a dorm party in a tight skirt and who is ogled by drunk, predetatory frat boys is "liberated". Really? That is the kind of "liberation" you would teach your daughter to embrace? You think being "pumped n dumped" all the way to a fourth abortion is being "liberated"? You think being swiped right on 'Tinder' is being "liberated"?

    Women are more precious than that to me.
     
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    Hey, don't be so hard on kitties and doggies! I have never seen a cat-mom or a dog-mom ever terminate their pregnancies and both of them always make sure to nurse their offsprings. Great creatures. :)

    #justiceforanimalmothers
     
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    No, but it is an imaginary world that has never existed and will not exist as long as humans are humans.

    Again...your "shoulds" don't cut it. No one is obligated to play by your rules.





    But not "precious " enough to have a right to their own bodies and life decisions...….that's a suffocating controlling " preciousness".
     
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    If such a law were passed would you agree to support it?

    Thought not. Current law means nothing when it comes to right and wrong.
     
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    Which is what Anti-Choicers want to do, put pregnancy under the control of the government.





    Only to you .




    No, it doesn't....it means they can stop being victims of misogynistic men..
     
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    FoxHastings said:
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    NO, it isn't. Please show the law that says women MUST give birth?



    YOU haven't shown me the law you claim exists...



    So if a woman becomes pregnant she loses the right to her own body, is that what you're saying?

    What crime did she commit to lose that right?

    WHO does own the woman if she alone doesn't get to decide if she'll gestate or not??
     
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    The kind of person who pushes that kind of "argument" is the kind of person who would have supported Jim Crowe, the Holocaust and slavery:
    "Lol, show me the law that says African-Americans can drink from the same fountains as Whites!"
    "Haha! Show me the attorney who says death-camps for the untermensch are illegal."
    "Lol. "Shoulds" make no sense here. It is legal for them to pick cotton!"
    "Show me the law that says women can vote!"
     
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    Agreed....but bears and some others eat their young. See the parallel?
     
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    So those of you who intentionally take on the DNA of another.....what do you expect?? Do you consider the owner of the DNA of which you intentionally shared would help be responsible should a beating heart be the consequence? Is there any responsibility (aside from silencing that beating heart)?
     
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    I can't wait to hear an answer to this from some "liberated" women!!
     
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