Religion is concrete, while agnosticism/atheism is abstract

Being led by cartoon characters is just following the model originated by the Republican Party.

 

I guess then you can understand why I don't involve myself with the political landscaping activities such as voting.

 

No, you've got it wrong.

God wrote the Bible. Men were his instruments to put it faithfully on paper,
so to speak.

 

In other words you don't have any concrete evidence of the contradictions in
the Bible.

C'mon, put up your best so-called contradiction instead of making unsubstantiated
claims.

 

Sorry Prunepicker, but you have it wrong. No where in the 'Bible' does it say that 'God wrote the 'Bible''. It (the 'Bible') says that 'all scripture is inspired of God'. Inspiring something to be done is not the equivalent of doing that something. Inspiring something to be done is also not 'dictating' what to do (in this case what to write).

 

God sure underwent some conversion between writing the old and new Testaments.

 

Genesis 24: Abraham purchases a tomb for his wife and himself from Ephron the Hittite. But according to Biblical Chronology Abraham lived 400-500 years before the Hittites ever existed. And the Hittites 400-500 years later never occupied the area where Machpelah was.

Abraham from Ur 'of the Chaldees'. It's another 1000 years before the Babylonian 'Chaldeans' came to occupy Ur.

Moses and the pyramids. Pyramid building ended circa 1600BCE - with the 13th Dynasty. After that tombs were dug out of cliffs - as at Petra. Given Biblical Chronology again this must have been 200 years before the supposed Exodus.

Matthew puts Jesus in Egypt for 2 years soon after his birth - Luke puts him in Nazareth after 8 days where he grows up.

Oh, why bother.....

The Bible has errors and contradictions. Close your eyes to them if you will they will not go away.

 

Perhaps the errors are in your interpretation as opposed to what is written in the 'Bible'.?

 

I'm going to stay with what I said. Being inspired by the Holy Spirt, who is God,
is God telling them what to write and using their personalities. If that didn't happen
then the Bible would be rife with contradictions. It's not. Only God could possibly
have done it.

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No, God did exactly what he said he would do. No conversion was necessary.

 

Islam may have new ideas about the nature of the God the Jews worshipped, but the Muslim and Jew pray to the same deity.

What you're doing is getting mad that Spanish speaking Catholics worship 'Dios' instead of God.

 

It's always changing, always evolving. Reformation ring a bell?

 

According to the scripture, only one item was said to have been inscribed by the hand of God.... that being the tablets containing the Ten Commandments. Rather than falling prey to secular logic, just show me in the 'Bible' where it is said that God wrote the 'Bible' rather than inspired the writing of the 'Bible'.

 

Thank you for the soft balls. I know you think this a contradiction but it's not.
The hittites you're speaking of were discovered about 150-200 years ago. The
Hittite Abraham bought the tomb from was a real Hittite. This is what happens
when someone is dead set to try to find a contradiction. They pick up the first thing
that looks vialbe and it blows up in their face.

No, Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldeans. The one your trying to make be the
only Chaldeans are the ones who had a short lived period in the time you mentioned.
You're wrong again.

What does Moses have to do with the pyramids? Chapter and verse please.

Really? Jesus was obviously in Nazareth first then they went to Egypt.
Still no contradictions.

I wonder the same thing, but you need to be educated and I'm willing to take the
time to do it.

The Bible has no errors or contradictions. You can close your eyes to the facts
but the contradictions won't show up no matter how hard you try to do it.

 

No they don't. Mohammad created the god of that "religion of peace". They
have nothing in common except for some passages that Mohammad plagiarized.

Mad? What purpose would that serve?

 

I never said it wasn't inspired. In fact I said it was. That's how God gave them
what to write.

 

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I will bite although will probably be regretful. Where in the Old Testament did he say what he would do in the New Testament?

 

Jesus' coming as Messiah is mentioned many times. Over 300.
http://christianity.about.com/od/biblefactsandlists/a/Prophecies-Jesus.htm

http://www.gotquestions.org/Old-Testament-Christ.html

 

The Muslims consider it to be the same god, and there is no objective reality of the god in question to evaluate. If the Muslims insist that their god is the Jewish god, then that's what it is.

 

Yes, they do. They are wrong.

Yes there is. The Qur'an, the book Mohammad wrote all by himself, contradicts
the Bible of the Judeo-Christians. God doesn't contradict himself.

A god that Mohammad invented. God of the Judeo-Christians isn't the god of that
"religion of peace". Why would God want his people wiped of the face of the Earth?
That's the stance of Mohammad.

 

My point is that God did not express any declaration that He took pen in hand and wrote the 'Bible'. Things that are inspired do not always turn out like what was envisioned or held in the mind during the inspirational period. I have no doubt that God inspired man to write things that are in the 'Bible' however, I also believe that man most likely did add a little of his own embellishment to the word.

 

Then if you accept the Bible is correct, History is incorrect. Having said that I know your views on the Bible - or at least I accept what you have said before.

 

Ask HIM...or perhaps Noah.

 

Thank you for the soft balls. I know you think this a contradiction but it's not.
Thank you for the soft balls. I know you think this a contradiction but it's not.

Wrong. The Hittites were indeed only discovered as you say. However they really existed in the timescale I mentioned. Of that there is no doubt. We have 'documents' and 'letters' between them and the Pharaohs of the time they existed. Even to the giving of a Hittite royal daughter to a Pharaoh. They move into Anatolia circa 1700 but did not expand until they were at their greatest circa 1500. They conquered as far east as the city of Babylon, and into Syria. There they were stopped by the Egyptians in the biggest chariot battle of all time at Qadesh.

Ur was under Sumerian control in Abrahams Biblical Chronological time. Chaldeans were part of the much later Babylonian empire.

I admit this is a tenuous connection, but then I don't believe Moses existed anyway. Because of Moses 'supposed' demand Pharaoh increased the lot of the Hebrews. After the building of stone Pyramids ceased some Pharaohs tried making them of brick and mud for some time. (Ex. 5). The scheme failed. They turned to rock face tombs.

Really? Jesus was obviously in Nazareth first then they went to Egypt.

It seems rather silly to me when 20 miles to the West of Nazareth they would have been out of Herods reach in Syria. Matthew only wants to fulfil the so-called prophecy in the Tanakh
'When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt'. Hosea 11:1

This is clearly a reference to Israel being called out of Egypt in Moses time if you read on. Matthew tries his hardest to present Jesus as the Jewish Messiah with several quotes from the Tanakh.

 

Prunepicker quote.

There only ever was one Hittite empire as I described. Ur, Nineveh and other cities were only found in the last 200 years, but they existed 3-4000 years ago. So did the Hittites.

You are getting confused with the Hatti/Hattusa nation who were conquered by the Hittites. And they were confined to Anatolia. Nowhere near Abraham.

 

You're looking at this through very tribal eyes. When a Muslim wakes to pray every morning, he - IN HIS HEART, THROUGH FAITH - is worshiping the same deity the Jewish man in NYC prays to after a ceremony. And the faithful in Boston during mass are praying to the same entity.

You're getting caught up in language variations of 'God' as well as the faith they choose to worship.