Religion of Peace Publishes Hit List

When I read the title I instantly thought of jews, but they don't claim they are a religion of peace.

No islam apologist here, all religions can stuff it. None is any better than the other.

 

And I already responded to it a few days ago. This doesn't support what it was that you were trying to assert. It says nothing about the opinions of of those people when it comes to issues of violence.

 

Right...the supporters of Al Qaeda don't support their terror attacks. What was I thinking? LOL

 

Actually yeah. That could very well be the case. You are making very serious analytical errors by making assumptions. All this data really tells us is how the PR war with Al Qaeda is going (which is useful information) but it doesn't tell us anything significant about attitudes towards specific ideologies or methods of violence. People have very different views of Al Qaeda based on how Al Qaeda is defined to them; this data doesn't do anything to discuss why people say they are ok with Al Qaeda, nor how those people define or understand Al Qaeda.

You're simply making assumptions based on what you want to be true / what you personally think is true; which doesn't lead to very high quality analysis.

 

Also, taking note of your sig; the Quran isn't a narrative like the bible and torah are, it is disingenuous to compare them in such a manner. It also is disingenuous in that it seems to imply a lack of theological significance of Jerusalem within Islam even though Islam utilizes many Jewish and Christian texts and roots that are directly linked to the city.

Furthermore, it is simply wrong; Jerusalem is referenced in sura 17 when recounting Muhammad's Night Journey. The location is referred to as "the farthest mosque" which of course is where the Dome of the Rock is currently situated. To deny religious significance of Jerusalem within Islam is simply absurd and a false argument.

 

And not all peoples of afghanistan, pakistan, etc agree with what the extremists who live amongst them are doing.

 

Of course that behaviour is not acceptable. However, it is common amongst the three bellicose desert religions. Let us take a look:

Islam: Your post

Christianity: We have probably all heard of the disgusting Inquisition instituted by the Roman Catholic church. Some may even know of the slaughter of the entire population of Bézier (16 000) with the nod from the Pope. But regarding much more modern times, surpisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 in Croatia there also existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveli, a practising Catholic and regular visitor to the then Pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children! [http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm]

Judaism: Visitors to the Middle East section of this forum will be familiar with the Deir Yassin massacre in 1948. Deir Yassin was a village that had mutual cooperation agreements with nearby Jewish settlements. That did not stop Jewish terrorists of the Irgun from perpetrating the slaughter. The Irgun was under the leadership of Menachem Begin at the time. And the same Begin unclipped the leash on another future Israeli prime minister, the butcher Sharon, who went on to illegally invade Lebanon and wipe out 22 000+ people. That makes Al Qaeda look positively unambitious, doesn’t it?

So, there are the nutters in all three of the bellicose desert religions who will exploit the political and nationalist face of their faith or the power and greed merchants to pad their wallets.

It is absolutely not confined to the followers of Mahammed. Do you agree?

 

I agree but I also have to point out that you need to compare modern undertakings in the name of religions and not compare actions 50 years ago with daily happenings today.

Therein lies the weakness of your argument.

 

Why do we need to? Please explain this weakness.

 

Because two of those religions have moved out of the barbarism previously widespread in their name. One hasn't.

This has to change.

 

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God with us

 

Are you saying violence is no longer done in the name of christianity or judiasm today? Have you been to Africa or Palestine?

 

that woman on the right seems to be half way to her rapture

 

Don't forget that much of Sub-Saharan Africa is Christian.

 

So you are now using the term "violence". Very subtle, I see.

Yes, I would say that violence is not being done on the same scale in Christianity or Judaism today as it is being perpetrated in the name of Islam.

Of course when those examples are stated here (of crimes being committed in the name of islam) there are four typical swerves (i) the typical claim is that they are not true muslims but misunderstanders of the regliion, so I does not count (ii) or just deflect by saying everyone is violent so the degree that it is mainstream is irrlevant or (iii) the West is to blame or (iv) we are being culturally biased. They are just "different".

You will note that you have moved the goal posts from Klip-Klap's original goal posts as to what violence we are talking about. His examples of terrorism by Jews and Christians lies back.

You are now arguing the second excuse. I expect others to follow shortly.

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Please be specific as to where terrorism in these areas is widespread and we can discuss.

 

Did you entirely miss the invasion of Iraq ? It was on the telly.

Over christmas, 2008/9, the Israelis- and we'll associate them with Judaism in this instance as that is the false flag they themselves choose to murder under- attacked Gaza and killed 400 children, along with a thousand other people. That's 400 children- in one US of AIPAC-financed operation. They probably used German-supplied equipment and weapons. The predominant religion in the world's most culpable suppliers of death materials is judeo-christianity. Your assertions are the cream of nonsense.

 

Ah yes, an "Al Qaeda magazine".

 

Regarding Cast Lead, indeed several IDF soldiers themselves made complaints over many things they were expected to do, not least that religion was now the philosophy from which many commanders spoke.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/apr/29/israels-holy-warriors/?pagination=false

 

More canards using US of AIPAC nonsense. No one takes conspiracy theorists seriously. Come back to me when the war on Iraq was a march on Iraq by the church or the synagogue will ya?

 

So this event in 2008 is comparable to the sexist, dictatorships now on in the Arab countries.

Can you see how this discussion is jumping from one topic to the next without addressing why islam is being practised as it is in modern times?

Instead deflection is the order of the day.

 

Islam isn't merely a religion like Christianity and Judaism are, so it wouldn't be fair to compare it to the modern undertakings of these- and other- religions.

Therein lies the weakness of your argument.

 

Do you deny that the American taxpayer floats Israel's military excesses ?

You couldn't be more wrong. Try telling any average Joe that the WMD- pretexed invasion of Iraq wasn't a conspiracy.

' Church ' and ' synagogue ' are the terms fed to the troops as conscience salves and fear dissipaters. Judeo-christianity has its own ' 72 virgins ' .

 

No, what I had seen was the assertion that the Jewish and Christian religions no longer went to war/were brutally violent. In reality Moon has a point about Iraq because Bush did let it slip it was a crusade - and that is certainly what Muslims believed, otherwise why say it. Further you can see in Michael Hirsh's article here that in reality the Iraq war was a crusade against Islam

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0411.hirsh.html

There can be no question that the response to 9/11 plus the misreading which Hirsh talks about which resulted in the 'crusade' has much to do with the number of Muslims who have taken to terrorism. Drone strikes as well. You can't look at one thing in isolation. You need to look at all it's associates.

Likewise it is now impossible to say ultra orthodox rel/nat has not infiltrated into the Israeli army. Indeed even Israelis are worried about the increasing influence of ultra orthodox Judaism which, when it is mixed with Nationalism, I find as scary as Al Qaeda.

 

Islam isn't a religion?

Please explain because I always thought it was.