Remember When: The Coming Ice Age

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The good news is that grapes for wine can be grown in England again like they used to.
     
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    You do you realize that Natural News is a fake news site that sells conspiracy theory propaganda across a broad range of topics right? The founder has a long history and list of ridiculous conspiracy theories he supports. He has even gone so far as describing vaccines as a form of child abuse and has made calls for violence against people who are trying to make the world a better place but which he thinks are little more than players in a grand conspiracy. So I ask you...is this really a website you want to put your full faith and trust into?
     
  3. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If your building is on fire, does it burn less if reported by an arsonist?

    Facts are facts, science is science, and truth is truth--and here is a fact of science that is true: the creative mind of Man is not His damnation; it's His salvation.

    A new Ice Age or a tropical paradise, Man will use His creative mind and will tame nature and command her into a future of wondrous wealth and health.

    In other words, existence is not doomed; it's being reborn by human creativity-- and that's something to be embraced, not feared.
     
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  4. WillReadmore

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    This is a nonsense answer. They have a worsening problem with agriculture due to climate change. Japan and Hong Kong are stupendously wealth by comparison, and while that is good for them, it doesn't suggest a possible remediation for Bangladesh - ot other countries where agricultural conditions are changing - and not positively.
    This problem is affecting every country and it is known to be getting more serious over they next years.

    It's our own mililtary that states climate change is a national security issue for the USA. We got a tiny sample when about 3 million Syrians had to leave Syria due to the war. It showed the world is NOT set up to allow people to move - even when people have a solid reason for believing that leaving is the only option.

    We've also seen the cost of failed states, such as Somalia. More Somalias can be created by the inability of a nation to feed itself.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    No, in other words what you said is just nonsense.

    We're NOT resolving the problem.

    In fact, our goveernment is actively attempting to make it worse!

    And, they're willing to doctor science reports, ignore inernational agreements, go to court to block solutions, and release pollution sources to pump out MORE greenhouse gas.

    Science? No. This government is NOT even slightly interested in science on this topic.
     
  6. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Same old story, same old bs.

    New York, December 2525–Weather: Some rain, some snow; some wind, some cold; some sun some clouds, and that’s the way it is, because that’s the way it goes.

    Know what stupid is? This is stupid: Driving to Vegas, eating steaks and lobsters, drinking Whiskey naked, enjoying the floor shows, and getting hot with Blackjack is going to end civilization as we know it and melt the world like a snowflake on the sun.

    Yet, that is what we are told to believe is happening. Give me a break.
     
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  7. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    I don't know who you are listening to.

    That certainly did not come from any scientific investigation of climate change.

    You need to be more careful.
     
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    Ya know...it almost seems like some you take pride in getting conned by these fake news and conspiracy sites. In fact, the faker it is the more likely you'll run with it. It's like a badge of honor or something. You have to understand that for those of that live in the real world this is really weird to us.
     
  9. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ban fossil fuels? Ban cows? Ban straws? Ban Styrofoam? Ban air travel? Ban pop? All proposed, some enacted.

    Is this not the thesis of Climate change: Human activity is changing the climate into a Venus hot box.

    And what is human activity but the use of one’s mind to make one’s life better? And just what would happen if fossil fuels are banned? No more Vegas, no more Caribbean cruises, no more driving to movies, no more sipping pop through a straw? No more driving to work? No more driving a date to a dance?

    Ayn Rand names ecology for what it is, hatred of the good for being good.

    “Ecology as a social principle . . . condemns cities, culture, industry, technology, the intellect, and advocates men’s return to “nature,” to the state of grunting subanimals digging the soil with their bare hands.” http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/ecology-environmental_movement.html

    When they start preaching about “the good of the planet”, they’ll end with human deprivation and despair—but the mosquitoes will be safe. The malaria virus will be free to infect. The Tsetse
    fly will be free to buzz and bite. But human beings? Fk ‘em. Some things must be sacrificed. So why not human life and comfort? Human’s are nothing but selfish, depraved, gadget makers.

    Be careful? I’m too restrained.
     
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  10. WillReadmore

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    You are talking about political actions proposed by those who are NOT scientists. Plus, you added in total BS in the hopes it would sound like you actually have an issue.

    I agree that our politicians come up with some pretty weird stuff on many topics.

    HOWEVER, the actions of our politicians are NOT justification for ignoring science.

    In fact, that is exactly backwards. Science is a method of measure. It can show that pretty much evrything you suggested doesn't work.

    So, I would suggest science is on YOUR side!!
     
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    Predicting that our climatclimate will warm is a winning bet even if your knowledge was limited to just a few simple facts. Like the climate of the earth cycles between warming and cooling . It has cooled so much that much of north America was covered by a moving mass of ice up to a couple of miles thick.

    These ice ages melt as the earth cycles to a warming phase. Generally it is thought it warms until the ice caps melt away. Then it cycles again to a cooling phase and another ice age.

    Given this and given we are in the inter glacial phase the era between ice ages we logically deduct the warming will continue until at least the northern ice cap has melted and gone.

    So betting on warming is a great bet to make.

    Imo climatology is not out of its infancy. And that means there are too many unknowns iinvolved evidenced by models that cannot accurately predict the future . Except to say the earth is warming.

    Hell the experts cannot with precision predict the weather more than a few days. Ha ha.

    It is from what I can tell a fact that higher co2 levels create a green house effect that traps heat instead of more of the heat radiating out into space. This would logically make the earth warmer. But predicting what level in ppm of co2 will yield in temp is sketchy. For the earth and its ecosystems is not a mechanical machine but closer to a living thing and far more complex and complicated than any machine created by the consciousness of man. And that is why I think climatology is still an infant or perhaps at the walking stage Although some people might say its a teen given the know it all demeanor of some of those involved . Haha
     
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    So you suggesting a few temperature readings 180 years ago accounts for the entire ocean? Hell WWII subs could only go down for 200 feet max before they imploded
     
  13. Starjet

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    Just be sure, the science of climatology does not back up AOC's hysteria? Ok. Agreed. The science of climatology does not support the thesis that manmade activity is destroying the planet and leading mankind to extinction? Again. Agree. So what's with the doomsday scenarios?

    It is true that it's not science causing the Apocalyptics to go apocalyptic--its a disturbance in the human psyche, the hatred of anything human, manmade, produced, or manufactured. It's as Ayn Rand said, its the hatred of the good for being good.
     
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  14. WillReadmore

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    Over and over you create ridiculous statements you FALSELY state came from me.

    You just prove you haven't a clue.
     
  15. Starjet

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    Here, let’s try again: Human activity is altering the climate into global warming. This activity if left unchained will destroy the environment of the planet by melting the poles and killing the off the polar bears. The resulting ecological disaster will cause the end of human civilization. But we can be saved if we just sacrifice our trips to McDonalds, Disney World, and cruising to the Caribbean. We can save the planet by not being selfish pricks concerned with only our wants, dreams, and desires, and become tribal members whose spirit is dedicated to serving the good of the tribe and not selfish pleasures.

    That about it?
     
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    Nope. Not even within a country mile.

    You clealrly have paid NO attention to this subject.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh. Good. No need for the Progressive agenda. Thank goodness for that. Though, seriously, I did have my heart set on some global warming.


    Damn politicians—empty promises, blatant lies.
     
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    Wrong again.

    Scientists have massive evidence that Earth is warming and that human activity is causing that.

    Our military states that is a national security issue. Of course, they aren't the only ones pointing out the very real damage being done now as well as how that will increase going forward.
     
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    So, human activity is warming the planet. And that is bad, why? Human history demonstrates human beings thrive more readily in warmer climates that frigid climates. Ice ages are damn hard on humans. Warming has been very beneficial. Has it not?

    So, what's the security issue? How is global warming a threat to the security of the United States? Mr. Freeze going to zap us? The Human Torch is going to go supernova? Just what is this threat? Putin going to run out of Caviar and blame Trump? Got be some kind of threat, right? And just what is it about plastic straws that threaten the existence of Man so greatly that they had to be banned?

    You have to know something is screwy somewhere when hamburgers and sipping pop become a threat to national security. Not to mention driving the children around during Christmas to see the Merry Christmas lights. Yup. Those are indeed horrific threats.
     
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    Agricultural impact and rising oceans mean people movement. And, countries that can't feed their population can result in failed states - such as Somalia. Analysis indicates that one of the contributing factors to the violence in Syria is the extended drought they experienced.

    In the historic past, people could move to find food.

    Today, people movement is a HUGE issue. Even the few who left Syria due to hunger and war were a notable problem. Into the future, our military says this kind of movement will become a serous national security issue - impacting trade and causing war.

    Canada, Russia, Korea, interior parts of China may be better off with some warming. I'm not sure. The US will experience impacts.

    But, there are billions of people who live in regions where agriculture and sea level changes will be a huge issue. Nobody is going to invite them over for dinner, and they aren't going to accept the idea of sitting there to starve.

    Check out the city of Miami Beach.
     
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    All of that because of straws? Damn.
     
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    Not sure I would pin this tail on any other than a donkey...that I have heard, at this point. :democrat:
     
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    There are much worse failed predictions in science. The predicted value of the Cosmological Constant was off by so many orders of magnitude, it remains one of science's biggest failed predictions.
     
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    That's a weak defense of the anti-science position.
     
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    Anti-science? Me? Because I don’t believe straws will create melting ice and rising sea levels? Please. A little respect for reality. Any mind that believes human creativity is deadly to human existence needs a psychologist, not the demented rantings of a apocalyptic climatologist.

    LA underwater in 12 yrs? Taxing the CO2 we exhale so Greta can jet around the world all teary-eyed bemoaning and worrying about a future filled with jets—and skyscrapers—and computers—and cars—and air conditioning—and burger joints—and 3D HD TV—and life expectancy of 85+— and Alexa—and Objectivism—and Romantic Art—and Caribbean Cruises—and Hawaiian Vacations—and an unlimited capacity to create and invent even more wondrously marvelous things, gadgets, toys, and machines? This is a future to fear? Has all of humanity decided that hysteria is the standard for living life?

    Geez. Cut me some slack, you bunch of Nervous Nellies—Straws are destroying the environment, creating refugees, melting the Polar Caps, and killing the GD Polar Bears. Insane.
     
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