Republicans: Do you now believe the Mueller Report should be accepted by all?

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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We'll let the SCOTUS decide that thanks. Mueller was charged with investigating Russian Collusion in the 2016 election. If he found no collusion then the premise and "evidence" must be examined for validity. If it wasn't valid then the whole thing gets flushed, read the 4th Amendment. Since no collusion was found, the original evidence was tainted (Steele Dossier), the SCOTUS will toss the whole thing. That leaves the IG investigation on how the whole farce got started. There are people going down for THAT!
     
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    The 4th Amendment to the Constitution prevents just such a fishing expedition. Read it and learn.
     
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    Do you now believe the Mueller Report should be accepted by all?

    Of course not. The stupid war over this thing is quite entertaining and entertainment is the most important function of federal government for me.
     
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    No, once again you failed to read the Rosenstein orders to Mueller. It is NOT limited to "collusion" as you can tell by reading it.

    And, NO. The investigation was legally authorized. The validity of the Steele Dossier wasn't an issue in this. If it weren't legally authorized, it would have been stopped upon discovering a valid basis for that claim.

    Why would the investigation continue if it were to have been found to be illegal in any way?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I already googled the appointment letter for you, sent you the link, pointed to the part that indicates the points to investigate... Do you actually want me to read it to you?
     
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    How is he acting politically? He received a 400 page document that, by law, had to have certain components redacted from public view. He's managed to pull that off in what, a week, week and a half? If it took him 9 months you may have a point, but considering it's being released tomorrow, you don't.
     
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    Looks you and your first year law student are on your own. Because Manafort is still in jail....
     
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    The Intel committee has security clearance and every right to an investigation that must be addressed by congress. There is NO information in the Mueller report that congress doesn't get to see.

    Barr has NO EXCUSE for withholding the full report from the appropriate congressional committees.

    This is the same BS that Barr pulled under the GHWBush presidency. He wrote a legal directive that stated that the US has a legal right to capture anyone in any country without consulting the local government. That was in response to Noriega winning the election. Our government decided that since our guy lost in their election, we would just legally justify kidnapping their PRESIDENT!!!

    Congress called Barr to a hearing where Barr refused to produce the legal justification, saying that he would "characterize" the justification, so congress had no reason to see the real thing.

    When the real thing came out, it showed that Barr had lied his ASS off concerning what was actually in that document he had authored. His characterization didn't even come CLOSE to the truth.


    Now, he's doing the exact same thing.

    The Mueller investigation ended March 22. It's now April 17. Please consult a calendar.
     
  9. Professor Peabody

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    You're cherry picking one sentence and expanding into an all inclusive fishing expedition. You are free to do that, you can bet the Supreme Court won't.
     
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    NO EXCUSE? With all the leaks from Congress, oh pleeeze.
     
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    For now.
     
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    Not necessarily true. Not all congresscritters have security clearances. There may be some highly vetted committees where the members are sufficiently cleared, but even if they do see it, they can't talk about it in public. Regardless, what's the rush? It took over 2 years to get to where we are now. This process doesn't happen overnight.
     
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    Ha! Sure....
     
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    That is absolutely NOT an excuse.

    It's the JOB of congress to have that material. They can't do their job without it.
     
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    The committees that have a right to that material in unredacted form DO have clearance to see it.

    That is their job.

    Congress is the only body that can take legislative action to block or at least slow the various assaults on our democracy.

    Yes, they can not talk about a certain level of detail. But, they get that kind of information in the line of their duties. This is not some surprising new situation wrt security.
     
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    Mueller was charged with ensuring a "full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election"

    You have seen Rod R.'s doc assigning this task to Mueller. You have had this pointed out to you over and over again.

    What's going on?
     
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    Put it on a secure computer where congress members need to sign in to view the unredacted report. They can take notes. If that's not good enough, then the sole purpose is to leak the documents and they shouldn't see it at all.
     
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    You forgot Trump Collusion which never existed.
     
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    How is he "behaving in a totally political way?"
     
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    Right, so no commentator on the left has been obsessed about collusion?
     
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    Does that mean that you don't actually have any evidence?
     
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    And what was the topic?

    Are you not familiar with the Buzzfeed story which prompted Meuller's office to publish the statement? You obviously know about the
    statement considering that you said, "Somebody from Mueller's office issued a statement..."

    Are you saying that Russia hacked these computer systems?
     
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    The Special Counsel Investigation?

    Really? You said how it would be illegal for Mueller to speak out with the truth? Remember, you said, "I'm guessing it would probably be illegal." You don't sound very convinced! :roflol:

    Okay, so YOU can't be called a sexual harasser and you wouldn't accept it if you were. So where do you get off calling Kavanaugh a sexual harasser?

    There is relation. You think that the president should always trust the intelligence agencies and you are unable to say to what extent!
     
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    I can't account for the actions or beliefs of the whole population of the world. In this and in everything else, I can only speak in terms of, and with those who listen in terms of, reason and logic. Those who can't, I just ignore.
     

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