Republicans stand by Iran letter, despite furor

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  1. whatukno

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    (Reuters) - U.S. Senator John McCain said on Thursday that Republicans stood behind a letter to Iran's leaders threatening to undo any nuclear deal despite an outpouring of criticism from the White House, U.S. allies and Democrats.

    He said the Republican senators could have taken more time to talk about it, but he had no remorse.

    "Maybe we should have had more discussion about it," McCain told Reuters. "I certainly think I should have signed it, and I think that the message needs to be sent."

    The letter signed by 47 of the 54 Republican senators warned Iran that any nuclear deal made with President Barack Obama, a Democrat, could last only as long as he remained in office - a highly unusual intervention into U.S. foreign policy-making.


    Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/12/us-iran-nuclear-congress-idUSKBN0M82L120150312

    The GOP is so hot and heavy to go to war with Iran they aren't even thinking about what is going on currently in the world. (probably because they only watch FOX News)

    Related: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/12/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKBN0M82IS20150312

    That's right, the UN is thinking about removing some sanctions against Iran as a part of a nuclear deal, a plan that has many GOP politician's panties in a twist.

    And, unknown to the FOX News crowd, Iran is in fact working with other countries in the Middle East to defeat ISIS.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/11/middleeast/lister-iraq-iran/

    Just a thing to think about if you get your information solely from the right wing media bubble.
     
  2. Bill G

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    And if one only gets their info from the left of center media (NYT,HUFPOST,NBC ,CBS,ABC,CNN along with just about all other) "news" outlets one would think The Rs are helping our ENEMY Iran they are NOT. Many on our political left veiw any deal as good. Its better to have no deal over a bad one. Iran is fighting ISIL but that does not in any way make them friends of the US or the west in general. They aer fighting ISIL in Syria because they back Assad they are fighting in Iraq because we all but totally abandoned it. Had we kept a larger reactionary force to aid the new Iraqi government they would not have come to fill the void. They are fighting ISIL f9r their own reasons ISIL would go after Iran when or if they get done in syria and Iraq. ISIL and Iran are two sides of the same coin. Both are islamic extremists.
     
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    This from the people who gave us red lines in Syria, anarchy and dead Ambassadors in Libya, and the return of US combat troops to Iraq.

    The only people who have been trying to commit us to a path to war here recently have not been the GOP. But you only get your information from your little bubble, too. Keep trying. It's precious.
     
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    a totally irrelevant tirade that has nothing to do with the GOP's moronic letter.
     
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    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The GOP is filled with chickenhawks - they love war as long as others fight it. Guys like McCain with a history of military service are few.
     
  6. whatukno

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    Sorry pal, I get my news from the Associated Press and Reuters, real reporters, not talking heads on MSNBC, and CNN, nice try at deflecting the issue though. See, all those media outlets like FOX, MSNBC and CNN agrigate their news stories and spin them originally from AP and Reuters articles. That's why I link those instead of FOX News, Drudge, and all those other places.

    I know, you thought you had a killer insult to my synopsis. How precious. I hope you didn't strain your arm patting yourself on the back after that idiocy.

    Oh yes, let's bring up Benghazi too, because that's relevant to this particular discussion. Yes, I guess to you the left wing political party went to Libya themselves and shot those people? Na, it wouldn't be uncontrollable terrorists killing people, na, it's the damn Left that killed those people in Benghazi.

    This is exactly what I am talking about, you are blaming the left for crimes committed by terrorists. Do you see the cognitive disconnect? Of course you don't, because Rush, Hannity, Levin, et al tell you what to think, and you do it like a good obedient little parrot. Quick, O'Reilly has some more thoughts for you to think, make sure to write it word for word so that you can fulfill your obligation as their little puppet. Thinking for yourself? Balderdash, that's hard work, having others think for you is so much easier.

    Here, we have the opportunity to work with Iran to make the region a little safer, a little bit more secure, working against a common enemy, laying the groundwork for real diplomacy and we have the GOP telling them that once Obama's gone to kiss that diplomacy goodbye. It's bullcrap. Just so the right can keep the war machine going. Few of us on the left want a war in the Middle East, ISIS however has forced that. We have to take care of this issue, as hard, and fast as possible, because people are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing dying in the Middle East because of these terrorists, but your masters have decided to blame the left for every problem in the world instead of coming up with reasonable doable solutions to the problem that would achieve long term peace and security in the region.

    That letter is a giant middle finger to Iran for trying to be diplomatic. The right has been gunning for a war with Iran for a long time now, and for what? Nuclear arms? America still is the ONLY country to use nuclear weapons in an act of war. They nuke Israel? Do you not think we wouldn't turn Iran into a smoldering crater? They know this, the reason they want nukes is because Israel has nukes of their own and it's better to err on the side of caution, and a nuclear deterrent is a perfectly valid power to possess when dealing with a nation that literally bombs the hell out of people for throwing rocks.
     
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    I never thought that and I watch a lot of left of center media. For sure the Republicans aren't trying to help the Iranians, they want the Iranians DEAD.
     
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    Guess what?

    obama is not a King.
     
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    I think we should pull back a bit, and let Iran rise to their own level. That level can't threaten us, and it would take longer to happen than our projected point of independence from ME oil. Let Iran inherit that whole mess. Once they get embroiled with Turkey in the fight to be king of the ME hill, it will divert more of their resources than we can deny through sanctions anyway.
    I think we'd be better off by allowing Iran to assert their power in the ME than we are as it currently stands, with us dissipating our resources in a place that matters less to us by the day.
     
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    Further proof that the U.S has become a joke of the country. No matter how hard you try to spin it, those senators committed treason and should be held accountable for it. They've turned the USA into a laughing stock.


    150,000 sign treason petition on US Republican letter to Iran
    AFP


    March 11, 2015 3:50 PM

    http://news.yahoo.com/150-000-sign-treason-petition-us-republican-letter-195011270.html

     
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    Thank you, Captain Obvious!

    Any other pearls of wisdom you would like to share? Perhaps informing us that the sky is blue, or that fish need water? Oh please wise philosopher, grant us your boon and shower us with your boundless knowledge.
     
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    What exactly is the Israeli option? Sanctions until what? Or have the US attack Iran? If Iran has been this close to a nuclear weapon for the last 20 years then sanctions aren't working. Maybe Iran could have had nuclear weapons by now but didn't want them...until the world's only superpower invaded the countries on either side of their borders.
     
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    They certainly don't seem to have a vision for the future... Myopic at best.
     
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    The GOP impertinence in their backdoor maneuvre to substitute Likud's foreign policy for that of the US is backfiring on them.

    The Big BiBi's transforming Boehner and his Boys into mere campaign props after agreeing not to pull such a lowlife trick is something every American should find repugnant, not just Republican toadies understandably upset by the demeaning of the Congress by a foreign politician's duping the Speaker into such a cynical stunt:

    Boehner was used as if the BiBi had plied him with Zolpidem-enhanced Manischewitz.

    [​IMG]

     
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    "The use of congressional proceedings in campaign ads is prohibited for members of Congress, and Prime Minister Netanyahu's predictable use of this footage is one of several reasons I did not attend his speech," Cohen said.


    Oh my...... who knew?
     
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    It is not B.S. for Senators to want to be advised and have consent in this case, they are obviously not voluntarily bowing down with those who bow down in this case.

    The Obamanation is not the Nation.

    The Congress has powers, enumerated and delegated with regard to foreign affairs, and in this case chief among them those dealing with defining “offenses against the law of nations,” and those powers require an ability to know what is happening for consent to take place before an act becomes international law. To fulfill “consent of nations” the Senate must consent before the act becomes law, an executive agreement with Iran would fall under “other international compacts”:

    “International law is generally divided into two branches; 1. The natural law of nations, consisting of the rules of justice applicable to the conduct of states. 2. The positive law of nations, which consist of, 1. The voluntary law of nations, derived from the presumed consent of nations, arising out of their general usage. 2. The conventional law of nations, derived from the express consent of nations, as evidenced in treaties and other international compacts. 3. The customary law of nations, derived from the express consent of nations, as evidenced in treaties and other international compacts between themselves. Vattel, Law of Nat. Prel.” http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Law+of+nations

    It would be an offense against the law of nations, for the emperor Obamanation to make an agreement with a foreign power that is considered international law by the other party and other foreign enemies before the Senate has had a chance to advisement and consent.
     

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