Republicans understand democrats better than they understand themselves

So- I'm not going to waste time trying to teach a cabbage to fly.
If you have nothing to work with, you aren't ready to do the job.
It's not anyone else's job to motivate you to make the most of yourself, it YOURS.
It's not anyone else's job to do for you- it's YOURS.
I'm able and willing to be a coach and guide for people ready to learn.... but I'll not carry someone who won't try.
Nobody that knows how to do these things will, we know it's a waste of time.

 

Apparently not since all I hear is I could and I would which is not I do.

 

You demonstrate the point; the difficulty of giving a hand up to the average person. Rather than ask "How can I do that", they attempt to say it isn't so, you can't prove I can, therefore no sense in my trying.
It's so much easier when you don't have to try. It also insures that you won't ever change your life. Self-fulfilling philosophy.

Why in hell would anybody settle for that? Sadly- many do, and in large numbers. It's the "easy" way.

Measure yourself by how well you reach your potential, fulfill your goals. Hold yourself fully responsible for that, win or lose; not society. No excuses.
When you can do that, the door opens.

 

So far all I hear is excuses for not helping people.

 

And who do you think you are to keep score?

First, if each person took care of only one person- nobody would be left uncared for. Fairest solution there ever was or will be.
YOU are the person who's first duty in life is to take care of you. if you won't do that, why should anyone do it for you?
WHY should you be allowed to burden anyone else so it's easier for you?

Society is not your parents, and your parents responsibility to change your diapers ended long ago. At some point everyone has to learn that if they want something- they need to do it themselves.
IF you take good care of self- then, you will produce resources beyond your needs, and at that time- you can afford to help others.
IF you can't take care of yourself- you will have nothing of quality to give anyone else. It would be interesting to see if those who know you think that is true.

The value of what I've done voluntarily to help others this year is better than 20K, and I've committed for another 10K. These are people who I know genuinely need a hand up, and these are not loans, they are gifts.
There's a lot of time given too. When we choose to help someone- it is a gift. When they decide to help themselves to what others have- it's theft, and it makes no difference if it's been legalized or not. Still theft.

Wanting other people's money because they have more than you is the real definition of greed- not need.
There is no mystery- nobody owes you. Nature has thrived on that principle for millions of years, and done far better than humans.
Your pitch is the same as the bum on the corner playing the victim, asking for free money.

 

From cracked.

You "never got help from anybody."
Nothing was "handed to you."
All right.
Let's say you scratched and you clawed and climbed the ladder of success. You never took a welfare check or charity, you worked three jobs to get through college. And at the end of it you look back on your labors and feel justified in saying, "I never got help from anybody."
So ... you were never a child? From birth, you were hunting and gathering your own food? You never had a mother to "hand" you milk?
You're completely self-educated? At age 4, you sought out your own knowledge, and paid teachers out of your own pocket?
I don't think you did. I'd have seen something about it on the news.
I think your parents poured untold resources into your hungry mouth. I think you had a roof over your head that was paid for by other people, I think you went to schools that were built and staffed and paid for by other people, I think you felt safe because the streets were patrolled by other people, I think you drove to your three jobs on roads paved by other people, in a car built by other people and burning oil that was drilled by other people in a nation whose borders were defended by other people.
Look, I understand why "I ain't asking for help from nobody!" individualism works as an attitude, or a philosophy. No, you shouldn't wait for help to come along. I'll even agree that we don't impress that message hard enough on kids when they're growing up. Kids, if you're reading this, and you ****ing shouldn't be, but if you are, let me tell you now:
The world doesn't give a **** about you, and you'll have to wrestle it for every good thing you get. Hell, I've written an entire article about how grown-ups don't tell us how freaking hard everything is, and how the shock of unexpected effort trips us up.
But, for the rich, this somehow gets extended to the absolutely delusional idea that they exist on a purely self-sufficient island, in an ocean full of shiftless layabouts always asking to borrow their stuff.

 

Neither am I- and I never have. Never taken a dime from government, not even an unemployment check. I have had a couple years when my taxes hit 6 figures, so I think I'm paying more than a fair share and certainly not getting my money's worth.

How much did you give to people in need this year?

 

200$

 

Better than many. Of course, that would be what you chose to give- does not include the money you paid and the government gave away.
At least the people you help by choice generally say thanks.

 

I make 12,000yr that's all I can afford.

 

Then you are very generous by the proportion. But people need to understand that the better conditions you create for yourself, the more you are able to help people in need- and if you do well for yourself, you will want to help others more- and I hope that happens for you.

 

Except none of that applies to health care or education.

 

Yes, it does. Do you think all the people going to college take out loans? No. Parents pay, wealthy people set up endowments for scholarships, quite often create trust funds for education of family as I have.
Wealthy people are taking better care of themselves than poor typically do, and paying huge health care premiums because those lacking insurance are treated anyway and the cost is built into the bills of those who do pay. But the first person to benefit from education and good health care is YOU. It's logical that the person who should be first in line to provide that is you- what others may gain from your well-being would always be vastly less than your benefits.

Where to people get the idea that these things are owed to them?

There's a paper written in long ago by a Scottish economics professor, Alexander Tytler, that explains the consequences.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”

We are, right now, suddenly moving out of apathy- and promoting dependence. Next to he last phase.

 

If you want to know what motivates Democrats, you need to listen carefully to Democrats. Listening to critics of Democrats isn't going to do it.

 

As in, listen to the sales pitch, ignore the reviews?
People pursue what they want- but what they want is often at the expense of others, financially, in freedom or other social values. You can certainly see their objectives because they openly endorse them and work toward them. How they do that is very important too. If you want to know where their mind is, just ask yourself where your head would have to be to make those objectives and the methods of pursuing them seem acceptable. Sometimes, that is impossible, because it often requires suspending values and judgment, which many people won't do- but that tells us that the conduct in question is unacceptable.

Here's a statement from the liberal-democrat editor of the "Daily Beast", Rick Wilson. Listen carefully here- He's telling us exactly what his motivations are:

Daily Beast editor-at-large Rick Wilson called for "humiliation" and even "incarceration" for President Trump's Republican supporters in an expletive-ridden column Sunday.

"Remember, the Trump GOP is shorn of all ideological and philosophical pretense, and even when Trump leaves office, it’s not over," Wilson wrote. "His cultists’ reign of terror will shape elected GOP members as long as he and his foul spawn walk the earth unpunished. Only exposure, pain, humiliation, and (inshallah) incarceration will lead to a moment of reckoning for the GOP. It should start at the top and work down from there."

The Lincoln Project adviser also compared Republicans in Trump's corner to prostitutes as he nears the end of his term.

"America is watching them experiencing a combination of fury and humiliation as Trump heads to the door before even dropping the cash on the nightstand," Wilson wrote.
The only Republican other than Trump he mentioned by name in the screed was Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., whom he likened to a German World War II bomber.

Wilson added a "hearty f--- no" to people calling for reconciliation with Trump backers after the election, and he wondered whether Republican media members who supported Trump in spite of his flaws would consider "seppuku," a Japanese ritual suicide. He also blasted the "motherf---ers" who worked inside the White House but sought to stifle Trump's agenda. Says they failed in their goals

I think the motivation of this man can clearly be classified as Pure Hate; hostility that anyone would see the world differently than he does is patently offensive and should be severely punished.
I tend to think that this man and any who could even begin to accept that level of dysfunction are in urgent need of psychiatry and drug therapy.
I would have other ideas, but my personal values are intact and would limit them.

 

Nope. Just don't think you have psychic powers that let you know someone else's mind without having to listen carefully to what they say they think.

You picked one person. If I post a hateful quote from a conservative, does that establish anything about conservatives in general in your mind? Because it's easy.

 

Sorry but govt funded health care and education is something that should be done.

 

in the case of 2016, I think republicans were looking for someone to lie and talk dirty to them

I never thought I would see the right support someone so immoral, I mean all that family values, ect... speak

 

Well- you would be wrong. I'm a person who used to teach people how to read people- including clinical psychologists and business executives. It's much easier than you think, and it's not psychic or metaphysical, although I've been called a psychic many times. You just have to learn how to look at the right things, how to get your own ability to see things in balance- and people are always telling you who they are, how they think- even how they will respond to conditions that haven't happened yet. They become not only transparent, but very predictable.

And that one person is the editor of a well known news commentary sight, not a random radical. His views get read and spread- and swallowed like hate-bait. While what comes out of CNN won't be as vicious, it will be in the very same nature. We've been hearing from the beginning that both sides are acting with the same bad attitude, and that is pure BS- and the self defense we see in spoiled children.

 

Why not government funded housing for everyone? Food for everyone? Those are necessities too. Where do you draw the line between your responsibility for yourself, and my responsibility for yourself?
More importantly, WHO do you think is going to pay for you- are you unaware that government does not make any money, they only take it from us citizens?

 

So- You're with the people who hold back the police and let rioters burn their cities, because after all they are protesting? That kind of "family values"?

You approve of the results in these democratic strongholds, where murder and crime is up 50-100% in a year, and they still want to get rid of police?

By the way, presidential infidelity IN OFFICE goes back to- Thomas Jefferson. The list of president who had affairs is longer than the list of those who didn't, and included most of the best we have had.
The job doesn't hinge on fidelity, it hinges on the performance that serves the American people's best interests. Not to entertain you like a standup comic or preacher- but to do the things that improve your quality of life and the your ability to thrive. If you don't understand the difference and importance, your priorities are all screwed up.

 

Why do you think your responsible for me?

 

Rocks vote for someone because the liked their smile.

I for one, don't vote for a smile.

 

What did republicans think would happen if Unions were made to not exist?
What did republican think, when they crafted all those trade agreements in the 1980s and 1990s that allowed jobs to leave the country?

Wages had to go lower.
But you're correct, gov't didn't have to pick up the slack of lowering wages. They could just let all asset prices fall along with the wage structure.

 

I don't at all. However that is precisely the effect if the government takes my tax money to educate you or do anything else for you. It's a kind of legalized theft, based on the idea that someone else has what you want, so we elect politicians to take it from them legally.

It's perfectly clear that a large number of people fully accept the idea that someone else is responsible for and should protect them from the consequences of their own bad decisions and actions.
Even keeping silent on that exacerbates the problem of dependency. Today, people even hold others responsible for their emotional reactions to things they see online- resulting in crap like the cancel culture; where if you offend some group with a tweet they set out to destroy your livelihood and reputation to shut you up. These are people incapable of managing their own lives, because they think someone else controls the things that only they can control. Because they accept that premise, the only way for them to control what bugs them is to force other people to fix their problem. Can't be done, and no matter how you explain that- they aren't listening- and so they have no power to control their own destiny, except to bitch at someone else- and it doesn't work.