I disagree. I like to think of myself as an objective liberal independent (this will probibly get a lol out of a few), and it is a privilege to have a spirited debate with an objective conservative, and I have had many such debates here on the forums. The problem as I see it is that much of the arguments are anecdotal hyperbole and all sides are guilty of this. When I look at political articles and cartoons from the past the same was true back then. I been here 11 years and 11 years ago I was a cocky self-righteous conservative, 4 years ago I became a cocky self-righteous liberal, but over the last couple years I started to question why I always argued and the answer was that I was looking to set people straight... which was to assume that I knew how everything was... which in retrospect was quite arrogant. So I sought to minimize my bias and maximize my objectivity and went from intolerant lecturing to questioning in an effort to learn from the perspective of others. Once one comes to the conclusion that they cannot control others, it becomes silly to try as it is an exercise in futility. Based upon this, learning from others becomes the only logical pursuit which requires objectivity and an open mind. I do not know if I have taught anyone here a single thing, but boy have I sure learned a lot!