Revealed: Obama's CT Social Security # Traced To John Paul Ludwig (Lived CT-Died HI)

Wierd because you have the same scripted theories over and over again.

Its kind of hard to find new ways to respond that is more inventive than

"you are wrong- and everyone in the United States thinks you are wrong"

I am curious though- name the other blogs you have seen me in? And if so- do you post there as Apuzzo? Because if you are the real Apuzzo, then the only place other place you have seen me post is where you have had your hat handed to you big time.

 

Hawaii cannot deny him his vital information, any and all of it.

By law.

Is there information on the COB not on the COLB, YES.

In order to get the info on the COB must they give you a copy if you request it? Yes BY LAW.

Else explain how one obtains the info contain on the COB but not on the COLB.

 

already refuted............http://www.politicalforum.com/other...l-ludwig-lived-ct-died-hi-14.html#post3619378

 

Wrong, the law is clear they must give you any and all your vital information.

So how do they give you the information contained in your COB that is not in a COLB?

The law requires they do so.

 

nope, as I've already refuted.............http://www.politicalforum.com/other...l-ludwig-lived-ct-died-hi-14.html#post3619378

 

The law requires they give you any and all vital information.

How does one get the information contained in the COB which is not on the COLB?

By your own cite

"§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof."

ANY certificate, it does not say ONLY the COLB, ANY means everything they have on record including the COB.

"the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth. "

That is a department policy which does not trump the law.

The law does not allow them to hide or otherwise prevent you from obtaining your vital information ALL of it.

 

you have already been proven wrong.............http://www.politicalforum.com/other...l-ludwig-lived-ct-died-hi-14.html#post3619378

 

Is all the information on the COB on the COLB? Nope.

As shown the law requires they cannot withhold any information.

By your own cite

"§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof."

ANY certificate, it does not say ONLY the COLB, ANY means everything they have on record including the COB.


So stop dodging the question.

The COB contains vital information not on the COLB, how does one obtain that vital information which Hawaii law requires they make available to you?

You just can't get around the law.

As the LA Times states

"A brand-new chapter dawns in the birther controversy over President Obama's hidden birth certificate.

The Hawaii legislature has now officially passed a measure that would allow state officials to legally ignore each month's dozens of repeated requests by persons or organizations seeking to see the infant Obama's actual birth certificate.
Hawaii Republican Governor Linda Lingle

For personal privacy reasons the certificate resides under government lock and key in Hawaii and, as is his right, Obama has never authorized its release. "
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/04/barack-obama-birth-certificate-linda-lingle.html

Now give me something to back your fallacious interpreation of Hawaii law that backs your contention a person born in Hawaii does not have a right to their vital information.

 

There are 2 kinds of records – records of the vital events themselves, and records of the government’s handling of those records.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0001.htm


Certificates are the record of the vital events. HRS 338-18(a) says that information about the actual birth, death, marriage, and divorce events may only be released according to the provisions set by law or Department of Health rules, thus referring everyone to the DOH Administrative Rules to see how information on actual certificates may be disclosed and to whom. Far from barring “any disclosure” as claimed by the DOH, current Administrative Rules allow a non-certified abbreviated copy of a birth (Chapter 8b, 2.5B), marriage (Ch 8b, 2.8C), or death (Ch8b, 2.6C) certificate to be released to anyone who asks for it. However, a public statement of where someone was born – such as Fukino’s July 27, 2009 statement and Governor Lingles about Obama – is not allowed by the rules (Ch 8b, 2.1A).

All other records are public, except that neither direct viewing nor certified copies are allowed unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest. Non-certified copies, abstracts, and disclosure of information from the documents are not prohibited – which, according to Hawaii’s “Sunshine Law” (UIPA) means they must be disclosed upon request.

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Sunshine Law:
http://hawaii.gov/oip/uipa.html

 

not dodging, I've simply proven you wrong already..................http://www.politicalforum.com/other...l-ludwig-lived-ct-died-hi-14.html#post3619378

 

did you have a point?

 

Already refuted that post and your misinterpretation of the law and confusing policy with law. In fact you proved me correct

§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.


"For personal privacy reasons the certificate resides under government lock and key in Hawaii and, as is his right, Obama has never authorized its release. "
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...da-lingle.html

He has a right to it as cited. So what do you have to support your contention denying the law which says any and all information must be released?

Nothing.

 

Was it over your head?

 

no, all of your points were directly refuted in this post.............http://www.politicalforum.com/other...l-ludwig-lived-ct-died-hi-14.html#post3619378

I've listed the law saying they only provide CERTIFIED COPIES, and I've also provided the official gov't website stating flat out they will only provide a COLB.

That is reality.

 

would you like to explain what his point was? because nothing in his post had any relevance.

 

No your post proved you were wrong as I cited. And I was backed by the LA Times.

§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

Who backs your interpretation of the law?

And again why do you refuse to answer the question as to how one gets the information on the COB that is not on the COLB as the law CLEARLY states any and all information must be provided?

 

He was a servant. I have a copy of his WWII draft registration. He was a lifetime domestic and therefore had no need for a SSN.

 

Interesting if they actually blocked the verification just to cover it up. I did this myself a couple years ago IIRC when the information became available about his CT SS# and the previously posted selective service number. Came up just like the image posted. No question it was his number. I dont know about it being this Jean Ludwig's number as well, but it wouldnt surprise me. Doesnt look like the info adds up though. Regardless, that SS number posted is absolutely his. All kinds of interesting info can be found with it... if you want to research who he is and where he was.

What happened when I tried just now on the SSS site was the following:

So maybe I'll try it at midnight EST (maybe try it for a week or two just in case there are millions of requests daily) and see what happens. If I get the same "sorry" response from them... the government just handed me more evidence of how worthless and corrupt they are. If I get a verification, I'll post up an image... but somehow I have little faith I'll ever see that again.

 

Oh and I wanted to add that when you enter the wrong information it doesnt give that error, it says:

So that error you and I received while trying to verify Obama's selective service info isnt that the information entered is incorrect, but that too many people requested verification... or that they just blocked it.

 

I just checked the Social Security Death Index (SSDI) and it shows that Jean Ludwig's SS# was 045-26-8722, not 042-68-4425 as you claim. All other information on the SSDI matches with your information. Why the disparity between the two numbers? Is the latter number actually Obama's number? What is your source for this number? Just asking.......

 

The social security death index gives this information for Jean Ludwig. All your stated info matches but the ss number. Do you think it has been altered on the ss death site?
LUDWIG, JEAN 17 Feb 1890 Jun 1981 91 96816 (Honolulu, Honolulu, HI) 96816 (Honolulu, Honolulu, HI) Connecticut 045-26-8722

I found this on uncoverage.net
"A licensed investigator from Ohio named Susan Daniels and investigator Neil Sankey have uncovered a startling thing about Obama’s SSN. It was first issued to Thomas Woods who lived on Glenview Drive in Newington, Connecticut. Sometime between March and May of 1977, Woods was issued the Social Security Number: 042-68-4425. Sadly, a year later, Woods died at the age of nineteen." http://www.uncoverage.net/2011/03/obamas-social-security-number-dead-man-walking/

That number matches the one in your post. However, death index does not recognize 042-68-4425 as belonging to anyone and there is no Thomas Woods, with a card issued in CT that died at the age of 19.

The secrecy and drama surrounding this president is astounding!

 

The ss death index does list a Thomas Woods who died at 18-19. His number is one digit off from the number Obama is using. But the Woods information doesn't match the birth or death listed on uncoverage.net.

WOOD, THOMAS 15 Jul 1962 Jul 1981 18-19 06111 (Newington, Hartford, CT) (none specified) Connecticut 042-68-4424

Other research shows that Obama did use 042-68-4425 on his selective service application, and social security search states that number was never issued to him.

Also,his attendance at Columbia was only for 9 months. 9/82 to 5/83 as substantiated by Columbia. Not the 2 years he states he attended.

Seems he is just making up this stuff as he goes along.

 

Actually Columbia itself said he attended for two years. That 9 months data is unconfirmed.