Rick Santorum: Libertarians Are Not Conservatives.

Lol... did anyone doubt that Santorum would crash and burn at some point?

Listen to this beaut from the FORMER Congress member who lost his seat in the last election:

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BTW, it comes from Fox "News" so let's keep the requisite "the liberal media is just trying to keep Santorum down!" rhetoric to a minimum please.

"They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and regulations low, that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom or in cultural issues. That is not how traditional conservatives view the world.
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There is no such society that I am aware of where we've had radical individualism and it succeeds as a culture."

So Santorum thinks that a "successful" culture is one that gets involved in the bedrooms of it's members? That people shouldn't be left alone?

And the right wants to try and portray liberals as fascists? Wow...

 

Didn't watch the video. He is correct they are not conservative, they are libertarian.

 

To be accurate, Libertarians are not Social Conservatives.

They are, however, fiscally and governmentally conservative. They can be social conservatives, but are not evangelical about it and do not think it's the government's place to legislate social values.

 

He goes much further than a sophomoric breakdown of how libertarians differ from "traditional conservatives". He goes on to espouse some very questionable statements about just how far the government should be involved in peoples' lives.

 

I support Christian theocracy. I have no respect for the constitution.

 

Exactly....................

 

Holy (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

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Robert Taft? Goldwater? Hell, even Edmund Burke himself did not support political unfairness against Irish Catholics and Indians. What does he think conservatism is? What does he think "conservative" means in the literal sense?

Who does he point to as the defining voice of conservatism if it is not one of these men?

Unless Santorum defines conservatism as a movement that started in the 1950's, he doesn't have clue.

 

Particularly stunning thing to say, considering he's in the most libertarian State in the country.
Somebody needs to turn that clip into an ad.
Or not, since Santorum's campaign has all the weight of a popcorn fart.

 

Well, Rick's right. They're different.

Paul is a right-leaning Libertarian running for a conservative party. That's part of why I prefer him over the other candidates.

The hope is that the GOP becomes more Libertarian in the future (just like it used to be back during Coolidge's time).

Santorum is just more of the same religious nutjobbery.

 

Finally one of them admits it.

 

"One of the criticisms I make is to the Libertarian right. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn't get involved in cultural issues. That is not how traditional conservatives view the world. There is no such society that I am aware of where we've had radical individualism and that succeeds as a culture." - Rick Santorum.

Pretty daming insights into this guys mind.

People like Rick Santorum hinder and hurt the Republican brand.
Ron Paul helps it in ways no other candidate has been able to. In fact, he helps it in ways no other REPUBLICAN period has been able to.

 

I have not seen read any support for insanetorum.

Is there anyone on PF boards supporting him?

 

Anyone who thinks that modern conservatives and libertarians are the same is just wrong. The two groups may arrive at similar conclusions on some issues but that is not because they used the same methods.

The two have entirely different worldviews.

 

I'm not a Santorum fan, but I can at least respect him for calling it like he sees it. At least he's not a pandering habitual liar like Romney.

 

But there is an element in the right-wing, including many on this board, that like to proclaim themselves as libertarians even while they decry the very principles of libertarianism.

It's a fundamental hypocrisy that is responsible for the dichotomous and conflicting positions that are taken by the right.

 

All politicians love to play with terminology, because they know how many people believe they are one of these political labels (imprinted in their minds via television/politics over the years they grew up)
People really think they are e.g. a 'liberal', a 'socialist' or a 'conservative', politics has become a believe system, almost like a religion. People keep believing in that system (even in an historical period which looks remarkable simular as that bad historical period post 1933 in Germany), and an elite is using it's political shield (called politics) to get the power (votes) of the people.
Words and terminology and the people follow 'their' leader very easely.
You wonder when do people start to open their eyes and see the light? In Germany lots of people saw the light when it was to late in 1939.

 

Most social conservatives are no more into legislating social values than social liberals. In fact, they are largely more hands-off than social liberals who frequently push for bans and regulations on anything they don't like. There is really only about a hair's worth of difference between social conservatives and libertarians. The notion that social conservatives want to control people's lives is one of the biggest fallacies in politics.

 

Santorum is a big government "compassionate conservative." He is by no means a fiscal conservative.

 

Rick Santorum=GWB V2.0

 

I have to disagree. They passed the Patriot Act, the NDAA, support the TSA and their invasive searches, constantly try to do strange things in various states like ban contraceptives, make women stare at fetuses before aborting them, get rid of sex ed, teach creationism in schools, etc. There's a lot more than just a hairs difference.

 

I agree. They are pro-life but have no problem sending our children to die in a war that doesn’t benefit or protect America at all.

They rail against liberals and their big government policies but the only policies I see coming from social conservatives are ....big government ones.

I can go on and on how hypocritical these idiots are. They ruined the Republican Party and now we are always stuck with liberal and liberal light.

 

Yep, they forced me right out of the party. I joined because it was advertised as 'small government and liberty' but all I saw pushed were strange religious issues, war, and blatantly unconstitutional actions. What's strange is how people can believe their for freedom yet support things like the TSA, NDAA, and patriot act.

 

Then rally behind a Libertarian party and make it relevant, and in doing so, get out of the GOP.