RINO Defeated! Lugar Loses GOP US Senate Primary Challenge in Indiana

You are correct, MAC.

We cannot go on spending money we do not have forever.

If we don't get our spending under control now, it will require much more pain and much more suffering for all of us if we wait and do it later!

 

Hopefully, Thad Cochran is next.

 

The dems already cut 500 billion from Medicare to sell Obamacare. What? No outrage?

 

As a response for Trin and yourself, your political chest-thumping with the primary win does not validate the Tea Party. As I said, Republican candidates can no longer speak for themselves and have to toe a very narrow platform in order to win the primary. Now if the two of you would do your homework, you would discover, that the more parochial the platform, the more extreme it becomes.

Now for the Indiana Senatorial race, Sen Lugar was a shoe in, your Tea Party candidate is not, and might even cost the Republicans that seat.

 

Facing a tough general election is no deterrent to do what is right in the primary.

 

Well Tea Party slogans are not a platform in which to govern, one must goven through the means of real aggregate choice. If you are inferring that Sen Lugar was doing the "wrong" thing, then it is safe for me to conclude that your viewpoint is clouded with Tea Party rhetoric.

 

That's the thing...you miss the Tea Party message, and invent rhetoric. What do you call the crap coming from the left?

 

At least one has a minor understanding of neoconservatives. The ideology actually sprouted from Trotskyism, which evolved into liberalism, as you stated, over time.

I see many aspects of neoconservatism in Mitt Romney. The fact that one would consider him better for the country than President Obama is mind-blowing.

 

LeftofYou posted:
"I am angered that you and your tea party politicians don't grow a pair and tell exactly what this would look like."


There have been various plans for the initial stages of cutting down the federal government. They have all been posted here numerous times. All save somewhere between $750 billion and a trillion dollars. they all start with: 1) Eliminate Department of Education 2) Eliminate Department of Energy 3) Eliminate Amtrak .... and go on from there. Sunseting between forty and sixty agencies keeping a few of their programs and otherwise eliminating them.

No it doesn't do the whole job but its a heckuva start.

How is it you missed these Tea Party approved plans before? Aren't you paying attention?

 

He's in real trouble. His schemes are backfiring. Look for more ramping up of any and every tactic.

 

Yes, but the landslide was among Republican-primary voters. The operative question, it seems to me, is whether Richard Mourdock will be able to attract independents in the same numbers that Richard Lugar was able to do.

Also, one has to wonder if Indiana's RINOs will be agreeable to voting for Mourdock in the general election; or if they will simply sit on their hands in large numbers.

I am hoping very much that Mourdock will prevail. And it may indeed happen. Certainly, something very similar happened in 2010, when the incumbent Senator from Utah, Bob Bennett, was ousted rather unceremoniously; and his conquerer, Mike Lee, went on to win the general election by almost a two-to-one ratio of votes.

Still, as I indicated previously, Indiana is not Utah; as Barack Obama proved in 2008, when he actually won the Hoosier State...

 

That was a very thoughtful post. And, considering that you are a Hoosier (I am a Tennessean), I will have to defer to your superior knowledge of Indiana politics.

I just hope, very deeply, that you are correct. (Note: It is my own opinion that Indiana is likely to revert to its Republican roots in the presidential election of 2012--and the same with North Carolina and Virginia--but none of these is a done deal. And Virginia is especially problematic, due to the increasingly Democratic nature of the northern part of the state, near DC.)

Oh, an addendum: I remain confused as to what the county seat is for Hamilton County in Indiana. Tennessee has a Hamilton County, also; and its county seat is Chattanooga, which is the fourth-largest city in the state. And in Ohio, Hamilton County contains the city of Cincinnati. But I am unaware as to what Hamilton County in the state of Indiana translates to.)

 

I think your viewpoint was clouded by "P.I.S.S. Christ."

They don't call him Lex Lugar for nothing!

 

What's mind blowing is that you believe that garbage.

 

Indiana today has who as a governor? They have seen what changes since 2008?

Isn't that Mitch Daniels State? Didn't they just pass some of the most far reaching anti government union legislation in the nation?

There is a sea change happening in this country. It's being caused by the fact of the self defeating nature of *******ation, and the complete awakening of the "silent majority".

 

pjohns asked about Hamilton county in Indiana.

Hamilton County is the county adjacent on the north to Marion County. Marion County is Indianapolis. The county seat is Noblesville, located in the eastern part of the county, but its biggest city is Carmel which is located on the south central part of the county.

Hamilton County is the most populous of the "collar counties" around Indianapolis. The collar counties are a Republican stronghold.

The unbubba mentioned Mitch Daniels. Indeed Daniels has brought the public employee unions under a degree of control. In addition he has balanced the state budget, enacted right-to-work (both public and private sectors) and Indiana now has the largest charter school program in the nation. Unless the moribund Indiana Democratic party pulls a major turnaround, look for a Governor Mike Pence to sign the nation's largest school voucher program into existence.

 

Go pence!

 

Thanks for the information, Taxcutter.

By the way, I like Mitch Daniels. I regret that he decided not to run for the presidency; although I understand that this was a purely personal decision. (He may not have wanted to put his family through the below-the-belt attacks, as regarding his marriage, that were certain to come, should he have thrown his hat into the ring.)

 

Providing general and canned responses are not the answer. The Tea Party is disjoint. I.e., there are Tea Party lobbyists that were against the Net Neutrality Act, in fact they poured millions of donations into that effect. Thankfully it failed. When I sequestor Tea Party members about their position on this and why, their only response is govt intervention. Basically a canned response, while not knowing any details implications.

The Internet only exists because of US govt research and development. Telecomms get breaks, right-of-ways to setup their lines, cell towers, et al. In addition, the average user will have to pay more, and be forced to use only a single provider, in essence have little to no access to the other provider markets.

 

What about the Obama Zombies that had no clue what Hope and Change was? I need to start a bumper sticker removal service.

 

How so? Can you point to an aspect of Romney's governorship where he did not employ Keynesian economic policy? Spending cuts is not counterintuitive to such an economic mindset. In fact, it is a key component.

In addition, is Romney's "us vs. them" foreign policy perspective not indicative of Leo Strauss' philosophical work? Or how is Romney's foreign policy perspective evidence that it is not closely aligned to the likes of Irving Kristol, the godfather of neoconservatism? Provide proof.

 

As an unabashed believer in the doctrine of American Exceptionalism, I believe, indeed, in an "'us vs. them" foreign policy perspective." And for that, I decline to apologize.

And as for the comparison of Mitt Romney's views to those of "Leo Strauss" and "Irving Kristol," there is an old axiom that is quite applicable here: No idea can fairly be held responsible for those who hold it...

 

I have no problem with an unapologetic ideologue. Still, I am interested. Why do you believe in an "us vs. them" foreign policy? Before you answer this question, I would appreciate if you respond to the following inquiry. Have you researched the philosophies of Leo Strauss?

 

Bobo's favorite Republican says it all. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

Better that than your commie avatar.