Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'

Citations please otherwise its just all hot air.

First of all lets get some facts right here dom.

1 gigaton = 1 billion tons = 1,000,000,000 tons

It would be nice to know where you are pulling this figure of 80 gigatons because its false, untrue and just blatant lieing my friend, you might want to stop looking in the alamist's sites for some good honest information.

CO2 emissions today in tons

It is a well known fact that all human CO2 emissions today amount to about 30 gigatons per annum thats 30 billion tons per annum.

Its also a very well known fact today that,

a. The oceans produce about 330 gigatons of CO2 per annum thats 330 billion tons of CO2 per annum.

b. Vegitation, animals, land masses produce about 440 gigatons per annum thats 440 billion tons of CO2 per annum.


So the TOTAL production of CO2 from the ecosystems and man every year is about 800 gigatons or 800 billion tons per annum.

So man's contribution to CO2 emissions per annum is

30/800 = 0.0375 or 3.75%

Dont you find it rather odd dom that this 3.75% will destroy us all yet the other 96.25% will not.

And hey lets not foget the components of sink vs source and what they are doing or our sun and its sometimes bad temper.

Anyone of these just altered alittle gives that 96.25% the potential to dwarf human emissions make them negligable.

I agree with you on this, no arguements from me.

The thing is though that through a carbon tax we will lose our current standard of living and be in financial slavery to the bankers and their corporations while our environment just keeps on suffering cause once the $2 trillion dollar carbon credit market kicks off the last thing on their minds will be to clean up manmade pollution.

So i dont like to pay for something and get nothing back in return.


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What "fledgling science" chemistry? Because the atmospheric composition and reaction is all down to basic chemistry
Physics? Because the action of Co2 in absorbing and emitting radiation is pure physics
Astronomy - because tracking solar influence is part of the discipline
Oceanography - because we have to understand how the "great ocean conveyor" affects the climate
Palaeontology - because we have to understand what has happened in the past to predict the future

Climatology has simply put all those different disciplines together - and then some

 

Sorry BB, but sooooooo flimsy.

 

You must have been high when you wrote that last sentence.

Yes the IPCC climatology department has taken the other sciences and butchered them to fit into their Global Climate Models (GCM) which sadly cant predict tomorrows weather let alone 100 years from now.

The world need more proof than acoupled of scientific computer models that Anthropogenic Global Warming is REAL.

Especially when empirical evidence in our past and our present suggests that CO2 cannot cause a major climate shift or drive a runaway greenhouse effect.

The only place you will find this evidence is in the IPCC's GCMs.

Cause it dont exist in empirical statistics gathered by thermometers, weather baloons and satelites.

ROFL ROFL ROFL what a statement to make?!!!!!

 

here's another one.

I better go before i post them all again............................................

 

for those that don't understand...

 

Okay...this post has got me. How in the world could the moon getting farther away from the earth have anything to do with sea level rise? As the moon moves farther away from the earth the gravitational influence is less. High tides would be lower and low tides would be higher because the further you are from an object the less influence gravity has on you. If the moon were twice the distance it is now the influence of the gravity from the moon would be half.


And lets consider a man that measures sea level from one spot on earth...a tree. Apparently he did not have the foresight to set a benchmark at some other place and if the tree went so did his proof...pretty weak even for deniers.

You see...when you start a building or parking lot you start from a benchmark from a previous survey. This benchmark is an established distance above sea level.

To go deeper you measure up on your survey stick and to go higher you measure down on the stick. That is what all the writing is on the side of the road when they do road work. You could set benchmarks all over the world and tell if sea level is rising.

Or you could use other ways...such as satelights.

 

If you actually read the OP you wouldn't be making such silly remarks.

Dr.Nils-Axel Morner has spent most of his life measuring the sea levels and has many datum points all over the world.

This particular tree was in the maldives where Al (bullsh!t artist) Gore said would be one of the first places to disappear.

So the good doctor was establishing if this would eventuate or if it was indeed bullsh!t.

Then along came some aussie homosexual communists flying the greens banner and pulled it out of its roots.

Why did they do that? if the doctor was spinning webs all the more reason to leave it in the ground and make him look stupid!

And yes the moon does infleunce the tides and the weather here on earth.

Look it up.

 

All I see are deniers that are grasping for the last straws in a losing argument.

The moon does not add water to the ocean and land ice is melting.

 

So wake up and smell the CO2.

 

Carbon dioxide is odorless.

Real good science dude!

 

Lemmings ....

 

Only at low concentrations dude.

If your going to give facts give them all.

 

Yeah sure look at all the evidence and then look me in the eye and tell me its settled.

1. Humans emit about 5 gigatonnes per annum

2. Oceans emit about 90 gigatonnes per annum

3. Land & Plants emit about 60 gigatonnes per annum

Total amounts

a. manmade 5 gigatonnes per annum

b. ecosystems 150 gigatonnes per annum

So this 5 gigatonnes will destroy us yet nothing is EVER mentioned about the 150 gigatonnes thrown up by the ecosystems.

Yeah sure are you guys such simpletons, if the government told you to jump in the creek with no paddlle would you............

But there is more look into our history we have had 20 more times the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere than we have today

a. millions of years ago we had 7000ppm
b. today we have 390ppm

That was totally natural CO2 from the ecosystems, man didn't even contribute.

So at 7000ppm did this amount of CO2 drive major climate change - NO it didn't.

So at 7000ppm did this amount of CO2 drive a runaway green house effect - NO it didn't

So at 7000ppm did the Earth have a hard time absorbing this amount of CO2 - NO it didn't

Temperature drives the amount of natural CO2 in our atmophere not manmade emissions FFS.

So wake up you lot and face the truth AGW is the biggest lie perpetrated to man since the global coooling of the 1970's then the global warming of the 1980's 1990's and now final climate change cause of AGW.

Its an elaborate scheme to make the masses pay through the nose for their energy use, the corporations that own our utilities in turn are owned by the banks, and bankers want to farm and sell carbon credits on the stock exchange.

And this labor green government has commited every man woman and child to financial slavery through the carbon tax for EVER get that for EVER.

When we could have taken grass roots action and become the cleanest polluters in the world.

 

He's considered a barking loony, actually. Morner just ignores the satellite altimetry, ignores the tidal gauges, and instead raves about a bush being cut down.

Morner is also a big proponent of .... dowsing. You know, finding underground water with forked stick. Yep, that's the denialist hero. Oh, he's also a LaRouchian cultist.

And sadly, Dr. Morner's science is actually much better than that of most denialists.

 

Pathetic really pathetic.

Will you ridicule every prominent scientist that speaks out against the global warming religion?

This guy is to oceans and tides what newton was to calculus.

Yet you put your faith in the IPCC's parametric computer generated forecasts, the IPCC is owned by the United Nations who in turn are run by BANKERS, say no more willy.

But wait there is more how come weather baloons and satellites haven't been able to detect the hot spot in the tropopause like the computer generated projection are indicating.

And what about therometer readings around the globe?

Sometimes empirical eveidence is the best source and looking into the past, all these indicate that AGW is a LIE.

I'll tel you why because computer are dumbest things ever invented, you put sh!t in and you get sh!t out, simple really.

 

The Gish Gallop in full stride.... see above.

 

If you can prove AGW is real and that CO2 drives major climate change and a runaway greenhouse effect....................

I'm all EARS........................................................................................

 

Sheesh, nothing can be proved, Einstein said, If you prove me right a thousand times, it DOES NOT MEAN I AM RIGHT, but if you prove me wrong ONCE, the I AM WRONG.

I have said it here until the cows came home and I will say it until I die. The planet is too precious to gamble with, money is crap, just a way of measuring how greedy we are and how bloody stupid we can be.

If, and I say If you are right, well we have saved some resources, done some science, not spewed out a few million tonnes of crap into the atmosphere, land and water. We can hold our heads up and say, well we did do something.

If, and I say if you are wrong, God help us.

I am going to gamble with the best odds.

I recently went to visit a school friend, he has just lost his wife to motor neuron disease. Previous to that diagnosis he told me she had breast cancer. I already knew that the Hunter had something like 10 times the national cancer average, now I find out it has about 5 times more chance of motor neurone disease. It is a mining town.

 

Then their was another friend, complaining about the rise of electricity, firstly they use too much, I see that every time I visit, and that's cool, they will pay more money towards the ETS. But even so, most of the increases were well before the ETS came into force. Their attitude is, if we want to use electricity we will, but why should we pay more to clean up the mess.

IDIOTS and I told them so, even friendships aren't worth the risk

 

Oh and NOBODY has been PROVED wrong, the jury is still out. So let's go with the safe option, just in case, better to lose a few bucks, jobs, towns, industries whatever then lose our planet.

 

You embraced the theories of a dowsing Larouchian cultist, you got called on it, and now you're crying. Just buck up and admit you got played for a rube.

You cultists certainly enjoy putting the extravagent titles on your cult leaders. The rest of the field would be very surprised to learn Dr. Morner is the founder of their science.

I put my faith in precision satellite radar altimeters and tidal gauges. Which show sea level rising. You put your faith on a guy who ignores the actual data in favor of ranting about a missing bush, and who searches for water with a forked stick.

But they have spotted it. That's old news.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article...oposphere-is-warming-after-all-research-shows

It's not our problem that your cult hasn't informed you about the state of the science. And since you're incapable of getting any information from outside your cult, you will always remain ignorant of the actual science.

You're also going to repeat your crazy claim about the tropopause somewhere else, even though you know it's been debunked. You're a cultist, and that's how cultists work.

 

That's the best beat down I've seen. Simple logic has been supported by numerous facts clearly! Just plain stupid to argue anything other! It's such a silly argument, the argument against AGW!

 

RUBBISH if this scientist was for AGW you would be pulling him out as you would the queen on a chess board.

I dont have to defend his life long work on oceans and tides speak for themselves.

You should look up his acheivements and then come back and babble if you dare.

How naive can you be, i'm nothing of a cultists rather i search for the truth.

Satellites have not shown the tides rising where are you getting this from?

Arctic ice.........satellites
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper...ys-strong-storm-caused-decline-arctic-sea-ice

Again this guy has spent a life time on oceans and tides, like i said he is to oceans and tides what newton is to calculus.

Not a culstist my friend just someone who despises the wool being pulled over hie eyes, so wake up and smell the CO2.

The fact that the destruction of the earth through manmade pollution has been put in the hands of the stock exchange and the people who run it speaks volumes of how urgent AGW really is.

What about our history which shows CO2 levels at 7000ppm?

What about the fact that 150 gigatonnes of CO2 come from the ecosystems.

And 5 gigatonnes come from manmade emissions.

Why will the 5 gigatonnes from manmade emissions destroy us and yet the 150 gigatonnes from narute are not mentioned.

FAIL back to the drawing board for you my friend

Have a nice day.

 

Truth vigilante hey, couldn't be further from the truth.

More like a sheep.