Robert Mueller is pressing to interview Trump after President's written answers

Well, perjury in a civil case. Agree about Whitewater, 14 others were...including a contempt charge for McDougal who refused to testify about the Clintons...she was later pardoned by Bill. If trump commit perjury he should be impeached too, but by the Clinton standard not removed from office

 

I'm glad the left is coming around to pleading the fifth is for criminals. Now maybe we can get a special prosecutor to look into Obama's IRS targeting conservatives and why lois Lerner pleaded the fifth.

 

What fake news? Most of the illicit information came from Podesta's gmail account(wasn't that the whole point?) It's how we learned of Hillary's "private positions" and how we learned that Braille colluded with CNN(used the collude word on purpose) to give Hillary the one-up.

In the first place, there'd never have been a need for any foreign hackers if this information were released to the public as it should have been. None of it was germane to national security(just to Hillary's chances at winning the presidency.). That's why Senator Sanders was also calling for the release of the DNC Emails. Oddly enough, Senator Sanders isn't under investigation for collusion.

It's noted you call them 'campaign crimes' since no one's been successfully prosecuted for it. If the SDNY is lucky, Trump might be impeached and they'll get a crack at it. Or at the minimum, in January 2021.

But you wanna talk about colluding with foreign powers to undermine American elections? That's what the defeated Bill Nelson did in this year's mid-terms. Luckily, he was the only one but I predicted that as a result of this investigation, future politicians will claim their elections to be rigged or hacked. And the FBI/Special counsel opened the door for that one.

The most important thing the intelligence community can do now, is to reassure the public that these attempts were minor as they were ineffective and should not be the focus of the media or Washington as a whole.

And no, I'm not a Trumpster. I joined PF in 2013. I became a third positionist far before I knew Donald Trump would run for the presidency, and I do disagree with things Trump has done. I just intend to make statements and support the Nation in ways I feel is in the nation's best interest.

To me, impeachment of the President undermines us. In fact, it confirms the very essence of Putin's attack on America. His whole goal, as stated by James Comey was to sow the seeds of discord in America and to highlight American corruption. If we have an impeached President, we would have proven Putin correct.

In other words: If Trump is a criminal, the person Donald Trump must be a criminal, not President Donald Trump. He's a symbol, like it or not.
Basically, the attack on America continues and we aid/abet it by putting Trump in the spotlight in this way.

It doesn't mean I forgive the Kremlin, in fact depending on how far Butina's tangled webs go into US Policymakers, we can declare that the Russians had a ground invasion of the US imo which totally changes the trajectory. At the very least, my overture to the East in foreign policy has ended, because both Russia/China are antagonist to US interests.(And increasingly the EU has sided with the antagonist enemies of America.)

 

Dont confuse this lightweight babe with Ethel Rosenberg

But if she bothers you ask how she got here in the first place

America has become a dumping ground for the whole world of foreigners with bad intentions thanks to globalism

 

It's 2018, the sycophant birther right needs to desperately keep up.

 

Mueller is in the final stages of ending this mess and has to make it clear he granted EVERY opportunity to Trump, including the chance to clear his name in person. He knows full well Trump wont do it and in fact this is probably part of his plan before giving the house his report once it is safe to do so. Now when it all comes down he has one less excuse to use and his minions cannot cry foul (they will anyway).

 

Yes, of course. Its 2018, how could I possibly bring up something that happened so long ago, all the way back in, what year again? It's been so long. Oh right, 2014. Your deflection is noted though. Cant have it both ways, either criminals plead the 5th in which you agree Obama and lerner need to be investigated or admit there is a legit reason trump would use the 5th

 

Actually, we have a string of guilty pleas and a growing body of evidence to refute your post.

When you started making apologies for Trump and parroting the "discredit the investigation" narrative that is the stock and trade of right wing media now, we did not know about the Trump Russian meeting in the Trump Tower. We did not know about the Trump involvement in the catch and kill activities of the National Enquirer, we did not know about how long the discussions about the Trump Tower Moscow deal went on (indeed they went on for months AFTER you started parroting this "nothing tosee here line" that you have consistently clung to, even as it fell apart before your eyes).

It is also very obvious that the Special Prosecutor is not done with Manafort ,and that you will have the opportunity to rationalize and try and explain away an entire rogues gallery of shady characters in the Trump Swamp as they are paraded before investigating committee (this time out where the public can see them, and lickspittle Devin Nunes can't do anything about it except go on Fox and whine to a poorly informed by receptive audience).

I do not know whether he will be impeached.

A lot will depend on the public testimony, and what people do when Trump perjures himself (note I did not say whether or if).

I have always believed that Trump won't be impeached.

It's far more politically effective to keep him where he is, as an symbol of the corruption, incompetence and abject failure of the pick of the far right wing. He is their champion and their symbol. He built a cult of personality and housed it in jingoism, isolationaism, and white racism. And his entire edifice is a rotton and corrupt to its very core. Rotten to a degree that hasn't been seen since the days of the Second Grant Administration and Rutherford B Hayes. And it, and its growing list of sins, scandals, and shady dealing will be on display for the nation to see for the next two years.

This is going to take longer than Watergate did.

Things were different then. When that story started growing legs, Congress acted quickly,. appointing a Select Committee and subsequently holding bi partisan hearings before the appropriate committees. The GOP did throw up some of the same smoke screens that the noise machine relies on now. Cries of witch hunt were heard. However, no GOP elected official chose to sit on evidence, hide behind closed doors ,or openly shill for the Nixon the way Republicans have for Trump these last two years.

 

You really need a link to the indictments? Sentencing memos? The recent document release the court orders mueller to release? There are a number of threads discussing it on this forum

 

It's tough to face reality....the "people" elected, with the help of rubles and the RU Fed, a criminal beholden to Putin, into the WH. It's a National Security threat to America and the world.

 

Yes, back up you post, as requested, and what you are SPECIFICALLY asserting. Tks.

 

Of course there is a legit reason. Our founders put it in there to protect people from overzealous govt probes...or witch hunts

 

I am referring to all the things I listed

 

Links, tks.

 

Still dont understand why people mention the guilty pleas like they're damning for trump. The pleas are all for lying to investigators during the probe or manafort's decades old crimes that had already been declined to be prosecuted. Only Cohen was at least close to trump but that's turned out to be a nothing burger to.

I've never seen a group go so insane over one individual like the left with trump. They are obsessed with bringing him down, ashamed that they lost to him. Everything he does is a crime, everything he does is racist, they attack him in a way that makes it look like Obama was treated like a saint. The left has truly lost it.

 

What does that have to do with my point? I'm just going to ignore your hyperbole bs and focus on you not being able to admit trump has a good reason to use the 5th.

 

LOL

And to think, you actually thought your response would establish some level of credibility on your part.

Talk about voices in one's head....

 

Nope...but that is not data release, it is required legality. You seem to be claiming the investigation has leaked information so I am asking for THAT data.

 

Good idea, focus and debate skills are sub-par when reality and facts are not on your side.

 

Isn't Mueller's power effectively the same as the Select Commiteee and bipartisan hearings?(But then, that'd be pretending that Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi are bipartisan. They're not, we both know they're not.)

For all this talk about trusting Mueller, it's the left that has a hard time doing that and so insists that Congress interfere with his investigation.

And as pointed out, albeit in a separate case(Lois Lerner) all the Trump-affiliated people have to do is plea the fifth and not answer any incriminating questions to Congress. What are they going to do? There's no difference in the farce of these public hearings.

But to make it perfectly clear:

-I do not condone the Russian Hackings. In fact, I'm sad that we need foreign criminals to learn non-classified US information as it pertains to political candidates. That's a scandal in of itself in our supposed democratic Republic.

-I do not condone any crime that Trump and his associates may have committed. It is preferable if these crimes are proven in a court of law, not merely accused because in our country you are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

-Our agenda is aligned, if for entirely different reasons. If you want it to stand as a symbol of 'white racist supremacists', then let that rock your boat. That's better than Trump being a martyr, and it's better than our country being divided while giving Putin a propaganda prop in the form of a dismantled American government.

-If Trump is shown to have actually colluded with the Russian Government(IE: Tapes of discussions, or something to that extent), how far Butina reached her hands into US Orbit, I wouldn't mind declaring war on the Russians. Sanctions aren't enough, nor removing our embassies. As Obama said, consequences must be severe for not only interfering in our elections but defacto invading US domestic space.

 

Oh please, the Left would have collectively gone insane had Obama been treated like this -- with an unending and open-ended fishing expedition to find ANYTHING on him for year after year after year. Pretending otherwise only makes hyper partisan and double-standards leftists look even more ethically dubious than usual.

 

Diehard Trumpers will rage that it is all chickensh¡t, but there is certainly a load of it coming down on Lyin' Don.

"THE SKY IS FALLING!"
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Besides the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel about whose patriotic mission the crybaby has been bleating "Witch Hunt!" incessantly, his long-time enablers (e.g., Fixer "I'd Take a Bullet" Cohen) such as his accommodating Pecker (recently joining the aforementioned poultry) are flipping at an accelerated rate as his foul business doings come under scrutiny.​

There is an irony in that Trump's tabloid (National Enquirer) crony, who bought and suppressed a Trump tale that would have exposed more of his degeneracy at a critical time, is now himself eager to kiss and tell.

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You mean like Roger Stone???

You'd better revise that particular talking point, because you're about to see a steady parade of current and former Trump campaign and Administration officials do that.

 

Well. We spent most of the eight years of the Obama Administration sitting through just that.

And right wing witch hunts of Hillary and Bill Clinton have been doing on more or less constantly for 25 years.

Try again.

 

I expected no less. TDS is the Trumpster default when they know they don't have an argument. Either that or try and deflect to Clinton or Obama, or use the "nobody's in jail, so there is no crime" excuse, which has already been deployed on this thread.

These are the three constant Trumpster themes. They aren't valid arguments, which is obvious. And I expect that Trumpsters will still be bellowing them when their fuhrer is frog marched off to jail.