Romney in Iowa: 'Corporations are people'

I think we already stripped it from the church

you can donate YOUR MONEY to candidates without your employer doing it.

 

What concessions? Looking at the alternative, they only gained and lost nothing.

 

Let me clarify this.
Big Union = Big corp = Big gov't.
All are not worth a sheet IMO.
Anything to big to become faceless, emotionless, and careless except for their own good is worthless, IMO.

I would rather see smaller local gov'ts, smaller local businesses, and workers who have a say in their jobs.

 

The UAW should've been driven out with union breakers armed with bats, sticks and chains.

Then scabs hired in at 14-15 bucks an hour and a benefits package more in line with what is competitive around the world.

That's what should've happened.

Autoworking today is not the dirty, dehumanized work it was 60-70 years ago. Today it's clean, sleek and streamlined with all the safety and security a worker could desire. The Union may have brought this about, but the union is NOT necessary for the maintenance of those working conditions. There are other organizations now to handle that.

 

Large corps with the help of the RW is exactly the same. Thugs who only care for more profit no matter how it is achieved. Same sheep, different clothes.

 

Ok, bit over the top, but unions are treated the same under the law, they are equal players but not mentioned as such. We have seen that union thugs will put forth millions of dollars to push their agenda the exact same way corporations will. Pretending there is a difference is disingenuous to say the least.

 

DETROIT, May 29 (UPI) -- The United Auto Workers said members voted overwhelmingly to accept concessions with General Motors Corp. as the U.S. automaker moves toward bankruptcy.

UAW members voted 74 percent in favor of the deal that includes giving up cost-of-living raises and performance bonuses and one paid holiday in 2010 and 2011.

The deal also suspends tuition assistance and dental coverage, and reduces prescription drug coverage, the Detroit News reported Friday.

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2009/05/29/UAW-approves-GM-concessions/UPI-15171243611752/

UAW leaders agreed to the revised contract last week that freezes wages, ends bonuses, eliminates noncompetitive work rules and requires binding arbitration for the next contract if a deal can't be reached. Gettelfinger said there are some conditions under which the union could still strike. The UAW said the cuts would save GM $1.2 billion to $1.3 billion a year

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2009-05-29-gm-uaw_N.htm

 

I wouldnt argue with that.

im not supporting buying electinos buy one side and not the other, iom against it by both.

 

Corporations employ more people than unions, the gain for corporations is a gain for America.

 

I wouldnt argue with that.

im not supporting buying elections buy one side and not the other, iom against it by both.

 

The people do lose stock value and reduced dividends when a corporation is fined or loses market share for bad behavior.

Preferred stock holders can vote on a range of corporate issues and common stock holders vote with their feet. Both are people or represent people. Even that value of stock held by the corporation represents the health of the corporation and how much the employees can be paid. The employees are people too. Even if they aren't union members.

 

Ah, you just had to be reasonable, putting a simmer on my ranting. I knew there was a reason I like you.

 

They made ZERO concessions, they bargained with our coin. The alternative was GM goes bankrupt and the unions weren't at the table at all. These so-called concessions are the product of the government stepping into free enterprise for the benefit of the union, who had no say in matters without that intervention.

 

Obviously, but why should it be?

Not much gets by you, does it?

So?

Who is advocating that?

 

I would hope all americans are against buying elections. I would think they would be, but by all the partisans pointing fingers, it doesn't seem like it.
They all seem to want only their side to be able to buy elections.

 

Yep, a little slap on the wrist for them, If an individual did some of the same illegal things, they would be thrown in jail. Maybe even executed if murder was found and they were in the right state.

 

I can see the logic toward being accepting of non-profits having a large role...

but you just end up with nonprofits representing forprofit interests and nothing changes.

 

The ENRON people lost everything and went to jail. The Corporation was broken up and its bones sold.

Coastal States was a giant natural gas pipeline company and for there monopoly marketing they were broken into several companies.

We have been pretty mean to some corporations. Not lately I admit. We let GM and Chrysler off the hook and left their bond holders twisting in the wind.

 

That was a stupid thing to say. Corporation money certainly DOESNT go to "the people".

 

You've run into an intellectual brick wall. You just keep reasserting the same flawed premises and conclusions again and again.

 

Where do you think it goes? None to the share holders? None to the employees?

Even if the money went to a bank where it could invested in another business it would be better there than in the hands of the liberal loons in our government.

 

Yes it goes to people, I get lots of money from corporations and I am just as much a "a people" as you.

 

How many times have you sold your vote?

 

Looks like Sarah just went down there...
As stewart said, "Is she trying to become mayor of Cockblockington?!?!"

 

Of course it does. The owners of a corporation (the only "people" who can be considered to constitute the corporation) are neither criminally nor civilly liable for anything the corporation does in their name, on their behalf and for their profit.