ronald reagan & the iran contra coverup

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  1. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    here's what a real scandal and coverup looks like:

    [video=youtube;XITcdoRWPt8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XITcdoRWPt8[/video]

    November 1979: 52 americans were taken hostage in Iran. The american
    public was held in suspense while the Carter administration worked to bring the
    hostages home, first in the failed 'Desert 1' rescue attempt, and then through
    negotiations with the revolutionary Iranian government. In October of 1980 an
    agreement was reached to unfreeze Iran's monetary assets for the safe return of
    the hostages. For some reason, the hostages were not released until January 20,
    1981, the day Ronald Reagan was inaugurated as president. In the dawn of the
    Reagan era, many, in momentary blindness, neglected to seriously question the
    implications of such an event. It is now charged that in the few months before
    the 1980 presidential election, the tremors of a covert action against America,
    by americans, was shaking the nation.

    In this special program we will examine the allegations that members
    of the Reagan/Bush campaign cut a secret deal with the revolutionary government
    in Iran before the 1980 election.

    http://history.eserver.org/the-october-surprise.txt
     
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    I think you made a wrong turn, conspiracy theories are that way:

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    ever heard of fawn hall?
     
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    You are mashing together Iran-Contra and October Surprise. This is not history, this is Conspiracy Theory nonsense.

    And yes, in fact I reference her frequently. In the Conspiracy Theory section.
     
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    then why did she shred all those documents if she weren't helping cover something up?

    show me a link to where you've referenced her
     
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    Look, Iran-Contra is fact. Nobody disputes that. Yes, I talk about her myself frequently, as to exactly how well the US is able to "cover up" and keep secret "real conspiracies".

    But your thread is not talking about Iran-Contra, it is only talking about October Surprise. That is Conspiracy Theory.
     
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    notice how the video title is 'iran contra coverup' and that's what the subject is

    show me a link to where you've referenced fawn hall
     
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    According to secdef Leon Panetta, Obama was absent during the entire time the attack on Benghazi occured.

    Here is footage of his testimony:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weq7hY0OhKs

    Where was he?

    Well, as it turns out, on the VERY SAME NIGHT of the Benghazi attack, our beloved Obama made an hour-long phone call to Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu to defuse a certain political controversy regarding his refusal to meet with the PM at the UN's General Assembly.

    That's our president.
     
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    i listened to the video twice

    panetta didn't say obama was absent?
     
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    Obama spoke to him once during the entire night, but that was it.

    Apparently, he felt that the hour-long call with Netanyahu was more important.

    None of this really matters, though. There are some new whistleblowers ready to talk about the weapons and why Ambassador Stevens was really there. They are currently in the process of ensuring that they have legal protection, but once they do, it's going to be bad for the Obama admin.

    Did Obama want Ambassador Stevens to die? We'll find out in the coming days.
     
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    obama delegated a defense matter to the appropriate subordinates

    it's going nowhere, it's just a big waste of money, like ken starr's $50 million witch hunt and it's bad for everyone, especially the gop

    that's completely looney, why would he want him to die?
     
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    It hasn't broken into the mainstream, but the allegation is that this whole Benghazi thing is a steroid version of Fast and Furious.

    Many former experts have also offered their opinion.

    For example, retired four-star Admiral James Lyons believes that the military was ordered to stand down because the attack was a staged kidnap. Unfortunately, Navy Seals Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty refused a stand down order and began doing their job of protecting the ambassador using force.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/...lows-whistle-on-benghazi-exactly-2446534.html

    But it's all speculation. Until the whistleblowers all come forth, we won't know for sure.
     
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    these politically motivated allegations aren't going anywhere
     
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    What role does Bigfoot play in all of this?
     
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    what a joke
     
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    At least Bigfoot doesn't project. :)
     
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    all you've got are jokes?
     
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    Iran-contra scandal was significant but trivial compared to intimidating reporters, rigging elections through IRS intimidation and assassination via Fast and Furious. The only difference is that government wasn't a full-blown organized crime ring in the 1980's. Now, it is. The essence of John Gotti. Fink and you are dead. Lois Lerner knows the rules.
     
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    You would reject any insights I might share with you. That leaves humor.
     
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    your kooky allegations are what's trivial

    yes, i reject politically motivated witch hunts
     
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    video here: http://www.businessinsider.com/jon-stewart-peggy-noonan-obama-irs-reagan-tea-party-iran-contra-2013-5#ixzz2UnkrxBmi

    Jon Stewart Destroys Peggy Noonan For Comparing Obama's Scandals To Watergate


    The normally friendly Jon Stewart has been one of President Barack Obama's foremost critics on the IRS scandal and on the Justice Department's aggressive behavior toward journalists in leak investigations.

    But there are some people, Stewart said, who don't get to criticize. On Wednesday, Stewart targeted Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan, who was a leading speechwriter for former President Ronald Reagan.

    On last Sunday's "Meet the Press," Noonan said that the IRS scandal was the "worst thing" she has ever seen in her lifetime.

    On Sunday, "Meet the Press" host David Gregory reminded her that she had been alive for the Watergate scandal. And Stewart reminded her that she worked in an administration during the Iran-Contra scandal, in which arms sales were secretly facilitated to Iran.

    "Ring a bell?" Stewart said.

    Stewart played clips of Noonan reflecting on the issue in 2001, when she said that things had "spun out of control" and that Reagan had "bad luck."

    "Reagan was just in the wrong place at the wrong time," Stewart said. "Specifically, the White House, during his own administration."
     
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    Superjew and name caller Stewart is defending the other afflicted race (i.e. blacks) despite the myriad of evidence of corruption? They have so much in common. I'll expand my intellectual challenge to John Stewart in addition to Obama. Stewart seems like enough of an egotist to take me on. Name a dollar value and an academic test and I challenge Stewart or Obama (or combined if they think they are symbiotic). Money goes to charity. Tell Superjew about the challenge, dujac.
     
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    are you really that deluded?
     
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    Am I, or did you discuss this with Stewart at dinner tonight?
     
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    i'm in rural mississippi, where do you think he is?
     

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