Look, police are feel frustrated, anxious, and underappreciated and some of them just can't imagine how reforms of what they do, could do anything but harm. Some of those, are not hanging around to find out specifics or learn about how these reforms will work as a package. They lack imagination and they are not a particularly trusting bunch. Point is that we need to reform, regardless. This collision exists in every industry and profession where reform hits the a solid wall of fear of change.
They are afraid their hands will be tied like Obama did to the military with his illogical rules of engagement changes
This is nothing like Obama regulating a federal military directly under one jurisdictional control. 'they' are a collection of thousands of police departments sitting in counties, municipalities and states across a whole lot of territory with different constituancies, problems and disparate structural and bureaucratic relationships and contractual obligations. Not a lot can happen in federal legislation besides the most basic bare bones collection of ideas. This kind of reform has to bubble up from within the preexisting framework of state or local legislation because that is who controls the purse strings of police departments and other social programs and agencies and divides the budgetary and regulatory pie on which turf battles and responsibilities rest. .
The democrats want the feds to regulate what police departments can do. The democrats in the house will try to come up with very restrictive laws. The Police will be more defenseless that ever and probably wide open for lawsuits. No one will want to be a cop anymore
First lets stop look looking at the headlines. Those reflect politics and passion. Lets wait until we see what actually hits the House floor. Once those committee hearings open up, and you start hearing the expert testimony and the states, the cities and the counties start lining the committee rooms with the practical impediments, this will all water down, either in committee, or the House or the Senate. That is the beauty of the legislative process. It will include some 'star' attraction provisions like banning the kneeling on necks or minority representation on citizen review board,, but underneath that, the substance of reform will be left to local governments because that is where the nuts and bolts are to this problem As for liability, the courts have continued to support 'qualified immunity' as a standard that makes civil action very very difficult. .
So I guess that means you don't think police need to be held accountable. And you don't think that's a problem. Okay.
Well, actually there are plenty of replacements. The USA could do like African dictators, filling empty slots and making soldiers out of 12-year-olds, with the USA filling the voids in the ranks of police with any warm, vertical body.
LOL you wouldn't have a clue though would you. Have you ever been in a violent situation where your life was in the balance, I doubt it. Here's the bottom line, these guys risk their life on every call, a domestic dispute can cost them their life. In the inner lib cities, its elevated even more because a lot of the bad people have guns too. It's really a simple f'ng answer, don't resist arrest and 99.9999999% of the time your not going to have an issue, now we also have some bad actors that need to be charged if they step over the line, like in the Floyd case, that's f'ing murder. Society has as much of a role as the cops in this situation, you have to respect the police and KNOW NOT TO RESIST. That leads to the next problem and it may be the court system and criminal sentencing guidelines. That's congress's role and the libs haven't touched this one, well until Trump offered up reform. That also leads to the education system, stop placating to the Teachers Union. The money is there, we spend more on inner city students than freaking private schools, all to protect teachers. Maybe offer private options and the education dollars follow the students. That leads to family, if a kid doesn't go to school or is a bad apple, punish the parents some how. I'm sorry the libs have decimated the educational system in inner cities, they've cried racism so much that the inner city now feels they have a right to attack cops, which lead to bad situations. Then the Police Unions have protected bad cops which have lead to a lot of this mess, who supports the police unions? One thing for sure America has come a long ways on racial issues, yet today you would think it's the 50's, which is a joke. Does it exist, sure in dark circles but is it raging like the libs want us to believe, hell no that's a bunch of bs. I would support these protest more if they were calling on lib mayors and governors to reform their inner city education and support expanding minority owned business vs only yelling racist cops or supporting lily white anarchist that are completely irrelevant to these issues.
If you want me to read your entire post, you really shouldn't start it out this way. You presume to know who I am and what I know. And you know neither of those two things.
You are quick to jump to conclusions. I only stated you will not be very happy with the progressives plan for the police departments.
Forgive me for jumping to conclusions, but your response to my asking questions about police accountability was to go on a ride along. How was I to interpret your complete ignoring of the subject of police accountability?
I’ll just leave this here because it shows how dead every be cop would be if they had to adhere to Leftist stupidity and wait to be attacked and shot.
Trump of course just did what the congress has failed to do. What are the democrats saying? It does not go far enough but they have purposed nothing
Look, you know as well as I do, that Pelosi's got a very large caucus to consult and what they come up with will take more to time to pin down precisely because the entire caucus intends to be involved in this issue. They are all running for election and this issue matters to their constituents. But I can guarantee you it will be more than Trump. In the end this is mostly a local issue and that is where this reform will take shape.
In the town next to where I live, decided to disband their police department over 20 years ago. The day it was officially disbanded, if you had any need for the police you simply called the county sheriff's office and they would send a deputy or state police. Crime did not skyrocket because the town disbanded their police department; life went on as usual and the taxpayers tax bill was a little less the following year.
I can see that working in no city larger than maybe 20k. You really think that New York is going to have the bandwidth to hire that many sheriff's deputies that weren't already part of the NYPD. Even if they did, how would it be different other than the name on the car?
Keep in mind that I'm not advocating the elimination of NYPD, however if it were to occur, there would definitely be a period of time that would be needed in order to ramp up; in the meanwhile the Sheriff's department, state police, NYPD Aux and other law enforcement agencies would have to pitch in until a new forces(s) can be assembled and trained.
Add Chief William Smith of Richmond, VA to the list. He became the latest victim of Democrat mayor Levar Stoney's personal and political ambitions and the lawless "activist" and "protest" groups he supports. In Richmond, the mob rules...
It is exactly what obama did to the military. I can't wait to hear the"progressives" complain that their call to 911 resulted in a comfort specialist being sent to the scene of their rape.