Russia’s newest Su-30 multirole jets and Su-24 bombers practiced attack runs on NATO

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  1. Garm Zandor

    Garm Zandor New Member Past Donor

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    Yes...yes.. another Wunderwaffe... May be US should finish previous ones first? Still don't have any working.
    A commoner throwing such statements, as what can and can not be hacked at professional member of IT community... That's bold...
    US not building F-22's or the F-35's because 1) they are too expensive 2) those are useless in combat and even corrupted politicians who lobbied those understand that, so projects were suspended indefinitely
    HARM missiles would be effective 10-15 years ago, not now. Get the fresh data about subsystems for S-300 family and greater.
    Even according to wiki, Russia has ~750 T-90 tanks.
    Delusions do not excuse the fact that you do not check your numbers.
     
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    The greatest number of Russian Battle Tanks are the T-72 which Russia lists as having almost 2000 Battle Ready.

    Actual number....about 1500.

    T-80....currently not operating due to problems with auto loader.

    T-90....Official Russian Count of Battle Ready T-90's...as of Dec. 2014.....678.

    Reality.....T-90's have a general instability with their tracks when attempting to move at high rates of speed like the U.S. Abrams while keeping their main gun trained upon target.

    Because of this currently ONLY 4 T-90'S HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM FIXED!!!

    The reast would end up as target practice for U.S. Abrams.

    But here is the biggest difference.....in an actual SHOOTING WAR.....which won't happen....over 95% of all Russian Tanks would be destroyed by Apache Longbow Choppers.....A-10's....F-15E's....etc...etc....before the more than 6700...actua lnumber is classified....approx. between as low as 6000 and as high as 8000...U.S. M1A2 and MiA3 Abrams Tanks even get within shooting distance!!!

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  3. Garm Zandor

    Garm Zandor New Member Past Donor

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    Since I couldn't find any valid argument or fact, besides delusions and wild fantasies... I guess I'll leave you and your crack pipe alone...
     
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    You know.....I don't mind if you disagree with anything I post.

    I don't mind it at all if you have different opinions or a different political ideolohy.

    HOWEVER....you are making this PERSONAL by posting derogatory statements....and THAT.....is just not a smart thing for you or any member to do.....especially to me.

    You are new....and I will let this one slide by.

    But I am giving you a WARNING.

    Do NOT do it again.

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    Garm Zandor New Member Past Donor

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    See if I care... Since your posts do not provide any actual facts I could argue with video of Yuri in Red Alert 2 with same success... Whatever... Ignored...
     
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    Now SEE!!!

    THIS replied post by YOU is acceptable!!!

    The previous one to me was NOT!!

    Just a few details you should know about me.....my First JOB was to study Yuri Andropov.....the dying and delusional Soviet Leader who confided in a few of his aids that HE WANTED TO GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS THE SOVIET LEADER WHO DESTROYED NATO AND THE UNITED STATES.

    Yuri Andropov was so sick and so delusional that he actually thought ABLE ARCHER 83....was REAL!!!

    We had KGB walking up to us in West Berlin in BROAD DAYLIGHT saying to us....."I think we BOTH have a big problem!"

    The world came with 45 seconds of ending during that NATO EXERCISE!!!

    You have NO IDEA what I do.

    And you have no idea what I am.

    As long as you keep it civil we will have NO ISSUES!

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    If I wanted to gain an upper hand in a future conflict with another country, I would provoke them into trying to intimidate me with "practice runs" and let them believe they were able to penetrate our defences while at the same time, study their attack procedures. And since this would be an intelligence mission, the boat would have been staffed by intelligence personal. Of course to hide this fact, when the ship got to port, I would come up with a story about how all the crew got scared and needed psychologists. This way I could have a reasonable explanation on why suddenly a whole naval crew suddenly had to leave while at the same time, feed them some misinformation. Of course, you guys would know all about that.
     
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    Although the Russian Military is a bit better than it was during the day's when it sent a bunch of RUSSIAN KIDS on a WALK OF ODYSSEY.....as they were droppped off a long distance from the Pristina Airport in Kosovo and were lucky they were not mistaken by NATO Flyer's as Serbs.

    They made it to the airport as a TOKEN FORCE....but they had no food, no water, hardly anything tht would qualify as Medical Supplies and their Superiors ordered them to stay there and set up an area.

    Now after a few days these kids were getting sick, dehydrated and were wracked with Dysentery.

    They were ordered by their Russian Military Superiors that they would be COURT MARTIALED....in Russia that means....SHOT WITHOUT TRIAL....if they accepted any food or water or help from the American's.

    I was there....and I watched this situation get worse and worse.

    Finally we all got on the horn and a deal was made so British Forces could supply these Russian Kids....and they were just KIDS....with food, water, medical...etc.

    But THAT.....IS ABOUT THE EXTENT RUSSIA HAS TO SUPPL IT'S FORCES!!!

    Perhaps a bit better now.....but not all that much.

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    Other than a USN. Ship going to General Quarters....no one is going to fire anything at anyone!!!

    This is why this is all such a JOKE!!!

    If for some reason....which woud not happen...but let's say a Russian Aircraft fired and hit a USN. Ship.....even then there would be major discussions and reperations requested.

    The only way a full U.S. Military Response would happen is if it was a COORDINATED ATTACK BY RUSSIAN FORCES UPON MULTIPLE U.S. TARGETS!!!

    The response would be the total obliteration of all Russian Airbases, Aircraft and Ships in the region.

    Putin knows theis.

    These actions are designed for Russian Public Consumption ONLY....as no one in the U.S. believes for a SECOND....that Putin would be stupid enough to take on the U.S.

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    You're on the internet.
     
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    How Come? Are you an expert on LSD?
     
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    There is going to get to a point where the 110 Putin Buddies and Supporters that Putin confiscated all the large Private Russian Companies and divided them up amongs his 110 former KGB, GRU, Soviet Era Military and Communist Leades....and they are going to get to a point where they are just loosing too much money.


    Now it is a testament to Putin putting them in power as these 110 control and have over 35% of all wealth in Russia......and they have stuck by Putin so far.....but Putin is now playing with the Big Boys.

    The United States is a GLOBAL MILITARY, ECONOMIC AND GEOPOLITICAL SYSTEM that has such a degree of infuence and capability that no nation can hold out forever unde U.S. Economic Pressure.

    One example is the IMF and World Bank making the U.S. Treasury as the Monetry Supplier for Russia as the U.S. Dollar has now been designated as the OFFICIAL RUSSIAN CURRENCY!!!

    Now the Euro is accepted as payment but NO ONE ACCEPTS THE RUBLE....as it is worthless.

    Only the U.S. Treasury and U.S. Dollar exists in enough quantity to be used as a secondary emergency Monetary System for Russia as there exists MANY MATIONS THAT USE THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THEIR NATIONAL CURRENCY!!

    When your Nations Economy has collapsed to the point that it's own currency is WORTHLESS...you have a problem.

    The ting is the IMF and World Bank with Russia's Blessing have designated the Dollar as the defacto Russian Currency as this is THE ONLY THINK KEEPING THE RUSSIAN ECONOMY FROM COMPLETE AND TOTAL COLLAPSE.

    The U.S. could SNAP IT'S FINGERS....and watch Russia desintegrate before ourt eyes....but we don't want that.

    This entire crisis is PUTIN AND PUTIN ALONE MADE!!!

    And the Russian People should not have to suffer for it.

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  13. Destroyer of illusions

    Destroyer of illusions Banned

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    Of course I do. I also know about the consequences of the policy of Churchill, for example in India. When starved to death about 60 million people. Also know about the total murder Tasmanians. Or the establishment of the first concentration camps for the Boers. I know about the death camps Eisenhower, about the "labor camps" in the US and I know deported the Japanese during World War II. And of course I know about Hiroshima and Nagasaki .....
    By the way, do you know how to actually undergo operation "Overlord"? Not Hollywood Story, but in reality?
     
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    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    I am.

    It was part of my training.

    Along with high doses of Sodium Amytal, Scopolamine, Sodium Pentothal...etc.

    The fact is such drugs only work on the mind of a person who is open to suggestion and poorly trained.

    LSD.....for some people can cause horrific hallucinations....for others....they can completely control the effects.

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    Jump to: navigation, search Operation Overlord
    Part of the Western Front of World War II

    Tank landing ships unloading supplies on Omaha Beach, preparing for the break-out from Normandy
    Date 6 June – 30 August 1944
    Location Normandy, France
    Result Decisive Allied victory

    Belligerents
    Western Allies:

    United States[1]
    United Kingdom[1]
    Canada[1]
    Australia[2]
    Free Belgian Forces[3]
    Free Czechoslovak Forces[4]
    Free French Forces[5]
    French Resistance[6]
    Free Greek Forces[7]
    Free Luxembourgish Forces[8]
    Free Dutch Forces[3]
    New Zealand[2]
    Free Norwegian Forces[5]
    Free Polish Forces[5]
    Germany[9]
    Commanders and leaders
    Dwight D. Eisenhower
    (Supreme Allied Commander)
    Arthur Tedder
    (Deputy Supreme Allied Commander)
    Bernard Montgomery
    (Ground Forces Commander in Chief)
    Trafford Leigh-Mallory
    (Air Commander in Chief)
    Bertram Ramsay
    (Naval Commander in Chief)
    Gerd von Rundstedt
    (Oberbefehlshaber West)
    Erwin Rommel
    (Heeresgruppe B)

    Strength
    1,452,000 troops (by 25 July)[a]
    2,052,299 (by the end of August)[10]
    380,000 troops (by 23 July)[11] – 1,000,000+[12]
    2,200[12] – ~2,300 tanks and assault guns[13]

    Casualties and losses
    206,703 including 36,486 killed[14]
    ~U.S.: 124,394 including 20,688 killed[14][c]
    ~U.K./Canada: 82,309 including 15,818 killed[14]
    4,101 planes[15]
    ~4,000 tanks[16]
    400,000[17] to 450,000 casualties[12]
    2,127 planes[18]
    ~2,200 tanks and assault guns[13]

    Civilian deaths:

    11,000–19,000 killed in pre-invasion bombing[19]
    13,632–19,890 killed during invasion[20]
    Total: 25,000–39,000 killed

    [show]v · t · eOperation Overlord
    Invasion of Normandy

    PreludeAtlantic Wall · Bodyguard (Fortitude · Zeppelin) Combined Bomber Offensive · Pointblank · Transport PlanPostage Able · Tarbrush · Tiger · Fabius
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    Initial airborne assaultBritish sectorDeadstick · Tonga · Merville Battery · MallardAmerican sectorAlbany · Boston · Chicago · Detroit · Elmira
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    Normandy landingsAmerican sectorOmaha · Utah · Pointe du HocAnglo-Canadian sectorGambitSword · Juno · Gold · Port-en-Bessin
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    Initial ground campaignAmerican sectorCarentan · CherbourgAnglo-Canadian sectorCaen · Breville · Perch (Villers–Bocage) Le Mesnil-Patry · Martlet · Epsom (1st Odon)Windsor · Charnwood · Jupiter · 2nd OdonAtlantic · Goodwood · Verrières Ridge
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    BreakoutCobra · Spring · Bluecoat · TotalizeLüttich · Tractable · Hill 262 · ChamboisFalaise · Brest · Paris
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    Air and sea operationsUshant · La Caine · Pierres Noires · Audierne Bay
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    Supporting operationsDingson · Samwest · Titanic · CooneyJedburgh · Pluto · Mulberry · Dragoon
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    AftermathCemeteries

    [show]v · t · eWest European Campaign (1944–1945)

    Overlord · Dragoon · Paris · Paris to the Rhine · Channel Coast · Market Garden · Aachen · Hürtgen Forest · Scheldt · Queen · Bulge · Nordwind · Blackcock · Colmar Pocket · Reichswald · Invasion of Germany · End of World War II in Europe

    [show]v · t · eWestern Front

    Prelude1939Phoney War · Saar · The Heligoland Bight1940Luxembourg · The Netherlands (The Hague · Rotterdam · Zeeland · Rotterdam Blitz) · Belgium (Fort Eben-Emael · Hannut · Gembloux · La Lys) · France (Sedan · Montcornet · Arras · Lille · Boulogne · Calais · Abbeville · Paula · Dunkirk · Dunkirk evacuation · Italian Invasion of France · Saumur) · Britain (Kanalkampf · Adlertag · The Hardest Day · Battle of Britain Day) · Sea Lion1942–1943Cerberus and Donnerkeil · St Nazaire Raid · Dieppe Raid1944–1945Overlord · Dragoon · Siegfried Line · Market Garden (Arnhem) · Hürtgen Forest · Aachen · Queen · Scheldt · Bulge (Nordwind · Bodenplatte) · Colmar Pocket · Atlantic Pockets · Invasion of GermanyStrategic CampaignsThe Blitz · Defence of the Reich · Raids on the Atlantic Wall · Battle of Atlantic

    [show]v · t · eFree French military campaigns of World War II

    Dakar · Gabon · Keren · Exporter · Kufra · Bir Hakeim · Run for Tunis · Torch · Réunion · Tunisia · Husky · Corsica · Monte Cassino · Ist · Overlord · Elba · Dragoon · Vercors · Paris · Nordwind · Colmar Pocket
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    French Liberation Army · I Armée · Army of Africa · I Corps · XIX Corps · 1re DFL · 1reDB · 2e DB · 5e DB · 3e DIA · 13e DBLE · FFF · FFI · FEC · FEFEO · CLI · SAS · Résistance · Free French Navy · Free French Air Force · Normandie-Niemen


    Operation Overlord was the code name for the Battle of Normandy, the Allied operation that launched the successful invasion of German-occupied western Europe during World War II. The operation commenced on 6 June 1944 with the Normandy landings (Operation Neptune, commonly known as D-Day). A 1,200-plane airborne assault preceded an amphibious assault involving more than 5,000 vessels. Nearly 160,000 troops crossed the English Channel on 6 June, and more than three million allied troops were in France by the end of August.

    The decision to undertake a cross-channel invasion in 1944 was taken at the Trident Conference in Washington in May 1943. General Dwight D. Eisenhower was appointed commander of Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF), and General Bernard Montgomery was named as commander of the 21st Army Group, which comprised all the land forces involved in the invasion. The Normandy coast was chosen as the site of the invasion, with the Americans assigned to land at Utah and Omaha Beaches, the British at Sword and Gold Beaches, and Canadians at Juno Beach. To meet the conditions expected on the Normandy beachhead, special technology was developed, including two artificial ports called Mulberry harbours and an array of specialised tanks nicknamed Hobart's Funnies. In the months leading up to the invasion, the Allies conducted a substantial military deception, Operation Bodyguard, using both electronic and visual misinformation. This misled the Germans as to the date and location of the main Allied landings. Hitler placed German Field Marshal Erwin Rommel in charge of developing fortifications all along the Atlantic Wall in anticipation of an invasion.

    The Allies failed to reach their goals for the first day, but gained a tenuous foothold that they gradually expanded as they captured the port at Cherbourg on 26 June and the city of Caen on 21 July. A failed counterattack by German forces on 8 August led to 50,000 soldiers of the German 7th Army being trapped in the Falaise pocket. The Allies launched an invasion of southern France (Operation Dragoon) on 15 August, and the Liberation of Paris followed on 25 August. German forces retreated across the Seine on 30 August 1944, marking the close of Operation Overlord.

    LINK....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Overlord

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    Bravo! Better not say!
     
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    WHOAH!!!!

    Death Camps of IKE???

    Explain that one!!

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    Destroyer of illusions Banned

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    Even you (not a military expert or professional diplomat) understand that US policies provoke a third world war.
     
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    Destroyer of illusions Banned

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    I'd rather show you.

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    There are many weapons that the Soviet's then Russian's pioneered such as the Sloped Armor of the T-34 Tank in WWII that surprised the HELL out of the NAZI's....the first Satellite and first man in Space.....the AK-47...etc.

    But right now the Russian Military is VASTLY outclassed and the sad thing about this is THE UNITED STATES HAS NO INTENTIONS UPON HARMING THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE AND IF ANYTHING WE HAVE SPEND OVER $300 BILLION TRYING TO HELP RUSSIA!!!

    All this WAR TALK is STUPIDITY!!!

    The U.S. Military is GLOBAL....existing at a POWER AND CAPABILITY LEVEL NEVER BEFORE OBTAINED IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND....yet all we want to do is help Russia get back on it's feet.

    FOR GOD SAKES THE CURRENT OFFICIAL RUSSIAN CURRENCY IS THE U.S. DOLLAR!!!

    It's time for Russian's to WAKE UP....and see what is really going on!!!

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    These look like pictures of Large Scale Prison Camps when the U.S. Military was cutting through German Lines so fast that entire German Divisions were surrendering.

    The U.S. could have been in Berline 2 WEEKS BEFORE RUSSIA....yet a dealwas made to allow Russia to enter the Eastern side of Berlin first due to the massive human Lossses suffered by the Soviet's from the SS and Nazi's.

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    There is ZERO CHANCE a THIRD WORLD WAR will begin.

    ZERO CHANCE!!!

    If you actual believe this then you believe Putin's own Propaganda!!!

    Think about this and answer truthfully.....what do you think the results of such a WWIII would be?

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    Garm Zandor New Member Past Donor

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    Damn my curiosity...
    So global power.... and defeated by every bunch of goatherds armed with rocks, sticks and few rusty AKs since 50's...
     
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    I do not exclude such a possibility. In addition Tago, I believe that the probability of such a conflict is increasing every day.
     
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    Garm Zandor New Member Past Donor

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    I bet that part was about genocide of Russians by liberal US advisors in 90ies....
     

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