Russophobia explained.

You people are fools. When Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union, it was the richest province, and today it's the poorest nation in Europe. Everything goes into the pockets of the oligarchs, especially the loans from the IMF - which the people will have to pay back.

Moscow did everything for you people, and considered you brothers, but like spoiled children you thought you could go against Moscow and they would keep feeding you. Is it any wonder the Russians hate you? But that's okay, now you have the Americans feeding you and you're suffering. Well you did it to yourselves, although I feel for the innocents that are being killed everytime your owners want a war.

How can you even consider Ukraine a democracy, when anyone who represented the views of the East and South of the nation was thrown into trash cans and were threatened not to run? Also how can you consider Ukraine a nation when it's run and controlled by the US? You're nothing but a colony, that's being used for American's own geo political strategies. Nuland who was the under Secretary of State together with Ambassador Pyatt chose Yatsenuk for President, and afterwards they chose Poroshenko, and Washington is keeping him in office because he does their bidding. And you people are not even ashamed about it?

 

I am not sure that it is in English, because it's a shame for Jews, but as I know "Bander" in Idish is a bordel. It is not something special for Ukraine. The creator of Ukrainian fascist battalions like "Tornado" is the chief of United Jewish community of Ukraine Kolomoysky.

 

1. Nationalist organizations who use fascist ideology need to be destroyed. For the sake of the country where they managed to appear. Fascists have never brought to their nation anything else than disgrace, failures, deaths and even collapse or long lasting crisis. These guys have never been successful on a long run and will never be. This is why these organizations are constantly getting financial support from abroad even with hostile rhetorics towards the sponsors.
2. For such a thing a fine or a month of civil works will do fine. A lot of people would demand death, but even these people can change their mind and become useful for the society.
3. Perhaps some people get away with it. But nationalist organizations are constantly under attention of the state. The most popular (they can be popular in any society) nationalists are either in jail or going to jail or just out of it. The only political party which came close to registering and taking part in the vote (RNE) was destroyed. And though I myself liked their ideology at that time - I understand now what a stupidity I have almost done. If it wasn't done it would have been civil war in Russia and at the moment we would have discussed Russian citizens in the same photos. I bet that in case of Russia the reaction of yours and the guys from the west would have been much stronger. But luckily it hasn't gone that far and was choked in the cradle. I wish it was the same in Ukraine.

 

Could you answer my question? My question is: why do you speak English like a Russian? You avoid using articles in your posts. Let we stop discussion other themes that you use for hiding you are just a Russian troll.

It's not an argument, it's the diagnosis.

If you don't know about the main hero of Ukraine then you can't discuss about this country. You have to read my posts careful only.

You as a successor of fascists that killed 90000 Jews in Latvia (only 300-1000 Jews remained in Latvia after WWII) would like to avoid to mention this name. I fully understand you.

 

Yes you are right. You kept children in Latvian prison camps. You took their blood for German soldiers. You experimented with them. Yes, I mean camps like Salaspils concentration camp.

 

As I understood for Nazism? Like we hung the general Vlasov? Or Hitler killed Röhm because he lost an interest to that person?

Because of conflict between Kolomoisky and Poroshenko. Like between Hitler and Röhm. Others remained. "Azov" for example.

 

It's your Baltic Nazist statement. We, Soviet People thought differently. But true had turned out on your side. You always were slaves, including present time. Washing of European asses is your destination. You always were under someones. Firstly your masters were Germans. They built your capital Riga. Not you, dude. You could not even visited this town. Then Russian Tsar bought you (as usual slaves) from Sweden. In the USSR according your statements you were slaves too. And now you are slaves of European masters. If I did a mistake correct me please.

This is a list of children concentration camps only in Latvia. Sorry, this list is in Russian. It's very difficult to find it in English. It seems nobody want to remember your crimes on the West.

http://harmfulgrumpy.livejournal.com/526980.html

 

Partially you are right. I get this info from ukranian media. The internet and YouTube allows to watch almost everything. The superior nation for Ukrainian nationalist is of course Ukrainian. The low nations are mostly Russians, jews, poles - all those who were killed by UPA on command from Hitler. Tell me what you think of Russians, jews and poles and their attitude towards Bandera, Shukhevich and UPA in general. That will be the ultimate proof if you tell the truth. .

Revolutions from the streets. Germany in times of Veimar Republic was an arena for lots of street fighting groups. Political competition was performed with fists, knives and sticks. This way fascists won the competition from 'partiya regionov' having about 1-7% support while their opponents had 30-50% support. Fascists also use the relics and mysticism, historical myths. Hitler used the myths about ancient german warriors and knights while Ukrainians use the Sviatoslav the Warrior etc. The meaning is the same - continuation of medieval aggressions. If you look up in the Internet you will find similarities about every activity of Hitler's fascists and Ukrainian nationalists. In fact Ukrainian nationalism is a rough replica, poor copy of what have been then.

Yes. You are right. Pioneers and Komsomol organizations used the same methods for controlling the crowd and promote the ideology. And from this point of view this similarity was the weakest point.

The slogans mean nothing. What kind of glory except for failures and losses happened in Ukraine since Maidan? I would gladly accept The main aim is to gather a lot of people in the crowd where they like it and walk screaming altogether something good. If we gather all the Ukrainian nationalists in one big crowd with torches and make them screaming 'Heil Putin' - in a day they will become putinists... The only thing is that slogans need to start with some undisputable facts increasing the speed of the leader and responding crowd. 'Heil our mothers!' 'Heil our friendship!' 'Heil our brothers!' 'Heil the witness!' Heil the strength!' 'Heil the peacekeepers!' 'Heil the athletes!' 'Heil the patriots!' 'Heil all of those!' 'Heil Putin!' 'Heil Putin!' 'Heil Putin!'... If you think - what did Hitler do to get his popularity before he came to power? He did nothing! He went to jail for civil disorders... Without the technology of working with crowd such a person would never become popular. I bet that nationalists themselves don't understand how all these people happened to become their leaders...

The order to start the war with Donbass was made by Turchinov. Who elected him? Is there any political party in Ukraine which has the real power and never responds to slogan 'Glory to Ukraine'? You have a show of multiparty system. But in fact the decisions about the policy in Ukraine is made by clerks of foreign agencies in the US or EU. They pay the money and they appoint the key administrators of Ukraine. The people of Ukraine don't even define their own life. They are forced to work abroad ofr instance.
All these differences between totalitarianism, authoritarianism, democracy... It doesn't matter! Starting with Plato and Aristotel it is well-known that any regime can be either efficient or corrupt. Democracy or ochlocrasy, despotism - monarchism, oligarchy - meritocracy. The problem can happen with any regime. A good, responsible and active monarch is more efficient than corrupt parliament with deputies selling their responsibilities to the highest bidder. A group of experienced people who made a good name and earned respect of the citizens is better than an insane and corrupt monarch. If we speak about corruption - Ukraine is a living example of it. All the failures of Ukraine are connected with political elite which was never protecting any interests of the country but for their personal. Putin is different. He didn't make a mess in the parliament. The parliament is making laws instead of making scandalous speeches for the prime time news. Russian parliament is not good about it but they really try. They are more efficient in quantity of laws and their quality comparing to times of Russian Empire or the USSR. And Putin is about the only person who makes sure that liberal economy is still working in Russia. The population after the 90s is strongly against of it. Russians would rather vote to return to planned economy, which will be a mistake IMHO. And what kind of laws is your parliament making? Language, Russia = aggressor, the aim is EU... Does it make any use except for PR?
Ask westerners who know the situation in Russia and Ukraine about the choice of the two. Let them imagine that they can choose between the 2 evils - Putin as it is or 'Ukrainian democracy' as it is. Choose yourself. Imagine that Putin is not Russian but Ukrainian and you are picking not the ideology but the system itself. Imagine that it is Ukraine building bridge to Kouban where 98% of people voted to join Ukraine. Imagine that it is Ukraine selling gas to China through Georgia or Turkey to avoid numerous problems with transit through Russia.

 

Actually the richest province in USSR also can be among the poorest countries in Europe, because citisens of USSR was not wealthy people.

I don't know about which "us" you are talking about,i'm not the citizen of Ukraine. But in the Ukraina there was mass repressions in and great famine in times of USSR wich caused the death of millions, and nowadays Russia attacked Ukraina and occupied parts of their territory. But theese inadequate people think that that kind of events and that kind of behaviour meens "doing everything for ukrainian people".

owners? Here is an example of russian so called patriot way of thinking. They think in terms "master-slave" and of course they consider herself as a master. If Ukraina or other "russian lands of slave nations" is not a vassal of Russia, than they ate fools, fashists,they eating russian children and so on.

Where did you get that anyone who represented the views of the East and South of the nation was thrown into trash cans and were threatened not to run? It was told on Russian TV?

And from where you got this all? Let me guess,the television told you?

 

Which one needs to be destroyed and why? Or you don't know that?

In Russia all organizations are constantly under attention of the state. But at the same time fascist Aleksandr Dugin can publicly call to "kill, kill and again kill" with no consequences from the state. And thats just because he is prokremlin guy. You better ask question to yourself, how become that fashists like Dugin can be an elite in Russia? Or for you the pictures of unknown people at the internet is more important thing?

 

So you can bring some videos from the youtube? Or others have to believe on your word?

Which fascists competition from 'partiya regionov' in Ukraine? give a full list. Or this is the secret?

I can't understand, did you want to say, that for example waving hands together in festival or go somewhere with touch is fascism, just because fascists did something similar? You know, fashists use toilet paper too. Does it meen, that all who uses tolot paper are fashists? As i told, after brainwash you complitly lost contact with reality.

What are you talking about? You know, you better spend less time watching your trash TV, it would be good for mental health.

How can anybody order to start a war, when he is under attack?

 

Yeh, right, if someone brainwashed you, it really doesn't matter for you what is happening in the reality, because for you was constructed a parallel reality, in wich state with jew prime minister, multiparty system, freedom of speach can be ukrainian nazi state.

 

How do you know that it's like russian, not like polish, estonian or whatever other language? You are such an expert in all languages?

You are not only the linguist, but the doctor too? I bet you are the smartest man on earth from the masters nation.

I can bet you don't know much about him too. Or maybe you are a historian too, not only doctor and lindquist?

And when in your sick mind i will start to eat russian children's?
As i told, thongs are bad in Russia. Some elements of Orwell's classic "1984" are becoming true in there. Even here -in the english speaking forum, is full of an inadequate wictims of russian propaganda, so you can imagine what is happening on russian internet.

 

During my life my feet stepped on territory of 33 countries. In some countries I worked long time. But you again don't want answer for my question. Why don't you use articles if you are a Latvian? By the way, there are no articles in Polish and Estonian.

Of course, I'm a doctor. The Philosophy Doctor

Finally you've started saying correctly. As a slave with his master. Your nature won

I've the Soviet Education. It's enough.

I never wrote you did it. I wrote Latvians did it during WWII. Then Russians came and punish you a bit.

No facts. Bla-bla-bla only... Typical Russian troll.

 

Kolomoisky pays and supports the Nazis, but is not one him. He is Jewish. When he is warned by Israel, he tells them he has the Nazis under control. He is also the most notorious criminal in the world, and was behind the bombing of Slaviansk with White Phosporous. He was also the payroll for the Nazis who burned and massacred the protesters in the Trade Union Building, as well as being behind the shoot down of the Malaysian airliner in Ukraine.

It was also his men who tossed anyone representing the interests of the East and South of Ukraine into trash cans. His Privat bank has now been nationalized by Kiev, and billions are missing, including money from the IMF. He's a wanted man in Russia.

Here is a drunk Kolomoisky, talking to a Russian prankster.

 

Can I ask you something, how can the Russian philosopher and political scientist Alexander Dugan, who believes in a fourth political system that would supersede the past systems such as: Liberal democracy, fascism and communism be a fascist?

How can Dugan want the old political systems of fascism, communism and liberal democracy to be gone, and yet be a fascist? It doesn't make sense. Who is telling you these things anyway?

Anyway I haven't read his book, but from what I know of his political views, I agree with them. Here's a video that expresses what he believes. It's always better to hear something directly from someone so you can make up your own mind.

 

In this phone call, Victoria Nuland is choosing Yatsenuk as the next president of Ukraine and tells Ambassador Pyatt that 'Yats' is the guy. When Pyatt asked but what about the EU, Nuland replied: "F*** the EU" and it caused an international incident. Don't tell me you didn't hear about it?

Actually it was on Youtube. Here are some politicians who supported Yanukovich, and represented the Eastern and Southern half of the country:

 

Oh sure, look, the entire economic system of america is a house of cards relying upon the petro dollar, war profiteering, Wall Street financial chicanery, and drug money laundering; wars equal profiteering in the US. We just have to sell it all differently, with lies like Saddam’s WMDs for example. But we’re also very keen on endless destabilization of the middle east.

 

And we all know what happens to a house of cards, don't we?

 

One of Hitler's field marhsalls, his cook and driver and step-father of Hering were jews. Does it mean that Hitler was not Hitler and fascists were not fascists? Besides, Germany had newspapers and parliament under Hitler... This happened in the only reality we have. The thing is only how we interprete the facts. I try to say that no model is a warranty of good or bad people. Your interpretation is that there are good or bad political systems and even bad people in 'good systems' are better than good people from 'bad systems'. That is the core of what you call 'virtual reality'. Because if person believes into your statement it only matters to make him believe that Hitlerism was better than Stalinism.

 

Why does everyone distrust russians, well look at how they behave on the internet: trolling, spiting and blabbering about some supposedly invincible new weapon that will turn the world's balance in russia's favor... not counting that their president is a war criminal with blood on his hands.

 

I proposed a much easier proof. Explain your attitude to those nations who think that Bandera is a criminal - jews, poles, russians... You have the same inner part as me. You don't want to lie about your own ideals. It is a good trait. But it has advantages and weak points.

Before Maidan 'Partiya Regionov' was the leading power in the Ukraine. It got the most votes. After Maidan nationalists made their ideology the leading one. Poroshenko, the news and politicians are either speaking Ukrainian with regards to nationalist symbolic sayings like 'Glory to heroes!' or made shut up. Literally.

Like I said before the symbols are harmless, but the system of ideology, which stays behind the symbols is different. If a pop star wants to get more followers - it's harmless. More or less. But in case that fascist organization wnts more followers - it is a problem. Because they will all die and they will all have to kill.

I don't watch TV. Only over the Internet. You came out of arguments. Because you spread the ideology and don't actually talk to real people.

Girkin didn't attack. He stayed in Slaviansk not going anywhere and generating news around him. If there was a political decision to federalize or confederalize a unitary state with nationalist ideology in west and center and pro-soviet anti-fascist ideology in the east and south it would have saved lots of lives. But the after-madian illegal management started a war in their own land with their own people to become pawns in the game of bigger states. Ukraine wasn't under attack. No invader was attacking peaceful cities before the fascist squads like Azov, Donbass etc started shelling the people with anti-fascist ideology. It was them who started the war and all the blood which followed is on their hands until the end of times.

Pravy sector, Azov, Donbass and lots of others including the newest 'national druzhiny', which are going to patrol the cities watching if the conduct of the people is 'ukranian' enough. At the moment almost every deputy in Ukraine has its own gang of armed people. All of them are illegal, but in fact they are stronger than any police.

Dugin is a far right. He used to be a professor at the university but was fired by authorities of the university for his conduct. The Kremlin never supported him and in fact he is rather a far right opposition than a proputin guy. His audience is small and I don't remember that quote. It was probably taken out of the context. Otherwise he would be charged at a court for such words and eventually lose the case.

Dugin is not a deputy or minister, he is not a state official. Elite? He is educated and as long as his opinion makes good ratings (people like scandals) he is sometimes (not always and more rarely than proukarainian experts) invited to political shows. He has no power and very limited influence to be a major concern. He cannot come to a person in the street and demand documents or to speak the correct words about political situation as any of these guys in the 'pictures from Internet' can do. Moreover. Such guys as we see in the photos have already killed people in Odessa or Kiev (journalists like Buzina or politicians like Kalashnikov) and got away with it. They are heroes because of murders commited. If something like that would happen in Russia - I would say it is a problem. If something like that would happen in China - I would say it is a problem. But it happens nowhere else but in states under terrorists. It happens in parts of Syria, Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, maybe some African states, the most problematic ones. So understanding all your natural and good love to you your country I can't neglect the really dangerous processes which are going some hundreds kilometers from my house.

 

Are you really sure that just "everyone"? Maybe a part only?

And we do it with a humor. That's a main crime of Russians

The humor is a terrible armament, I fully agree with you that Americans are unarmed.

Of course, you have evidence. But you don't want to upset Russians and never present them. Thank you, sir!

 

Russians don't threat with their weaponry. Some months ago there was a belief among westerners that in case of war the US would easily destroy Russian army without the need to perform nuclear attacks on big cities. At the moment the situation is changing. The American state officials got a better understanding in Syria of Russian military, got acquainted with Russian systems of anti-air missiles and jamming, learnt the modern charateristics of Russian planes and rockets and... decided to spend another huge portions of the money to be capable to change the balance into position when Russia will not be ready to answer an attack from US forces. Russia has no plans or means to destroy the US military all over the world and is not ready to replace the US army and fleet worldover. We only can destroy the whole planet in case we are under attack. I find it natural and if any country in the world would have the same approach in case of our attack - I won't object and regard their politicians as criminals. But if Russia wanted and indicated in the doctrine as US just did, that its aim is to be able to destroy US army with one powerful strike - I would rather believe that our political leadership is insane and blood-thirsty.

When you terrorize a kitten or any other animal threatening it - this animal would show teeth and try to scare you. It's natural. But in this case it is not an animal who is the aggressor. Russia is not a kitten. It is a bear with lots of possibilities to harm the hunter. It is not a surprise that in response for NATO approaching Russian borders, coup in Ukraine, activity in Syria, economic sanctions, political sanctions and usage of sorrupt international organisations to harm any citizens of Russia including even sportsmen and the Olympics - you see such a behavior from Russians in the Internet. We want to live. We don't want to die. And we see aggressive actions of the US threatening our vital interests. When it stops - you will have a different reaction.

 

. . . My own sentiments in a nut-shell. He must be a very smart guy.