Read. You typed it. You may have meant that but I didn't read that. My personal stuff isn't part of this.
Well if that's what you think, then it literally makes zero sense that you got married. I mean, unless you wanted to be another divorce statistic.
It's of no value to me whether or not my actions make sense to you. Thanks for your opinion, I really wanted to know what you thought about my marriage.
Forget about what I think! You seem to have made it pretty clear what YOU think about your marriage and everyone elses marriage. Your position is all over the place - you said that "government ruins marriage", but you've made it very clear that marriage doesn't exist WITHOUT government! So I don't know what this other version of marriage is that you're talking about which is so much better WITHOUT government ruining it.
Never happened. Unions can include anything from a neighborhood stamp club to Microsoft Corp. The subject here is a specific type of union called marriage, which consists of one man and one woman; and only a society in serious decline will countenance such an obvious counterfeit as "gay marriage".
What is marriage if not an arrangement with the government? What about if it was just a Civil Union or another form of legal recognition of same sex couples?
now you're going to tell me what I think which is funny cuz 99.9% of the time when people do that they get it wrong. Those two things aren't in conflict. if you get a special status from the government when you get married that's a different thing then not having that special status. and yes creating this special status has ruined marriage look at it it's in disarray because the government keeps involving themselves in it. I don't know why you think there's a conflict here. you shouldn't complicate things with whatever crap you fabricate I mentioned in no versions of marriage. You were the one presenting versions of marriage. I don't hold the position that there's versions of it I never held the position that there's versions of it that was entirely you. it's a libertarian position I don't think the government should not meddle in the affairs of individuals. I explained this in the beginning and you went derailed different thread over it. Hopefully these explanations clear things up for you evidently you are confused
A covenant between a man and a woman to which government certification is entirely superfluous. You're welcome. Let them draw up their own contracts, which will be as enforceable in court as any other. No need for any legislative carve-out.
Well I agree, because I believe in Christian marriage, but how many people get married absent of government certification? Even Christians who have been married under God still get the government involved, I guess for the legal benefits. Also, in response to @modernpaladin, you said that marriage "never" became a contract with the government, which is just not true! It obviously is a contract with the government, but this doesn't meant that's ALL it is! @Polydectes, you 'liked' this post as if you agree with it, but you've said that two people cannot consider themselves as married without the government legally recognising it as a marriage. The post also specifies "man and a woman" when you obviously don't believe that marriage is limited to male/female. Very strange. At what point do you think a society "countenance's" gay marriage? At the point that it becomes law as is the case in the US and other countries?
Okay, so when you said, "if you get a special status from the government when you get married that's a different thing then not having that special status" that is equal to: if you get MARRIED (special status) from the government when you get married that's a different thing then not having that special status. Sorry, but you just make no sense whatsoever!
You're making it convoluted stop doing that. Forget whatever crap is coming from your head and pay attention only to the words I type.
In post 618 you said a lot more than that. But I stand by the fact that a marriage is a special status if the government recognizes your union and you get certain privileges explain how that's not a special status.
Yes, it is certainly a special status, but I thought that you were saying that marriage can also be outside of that.
Then why did you agree with yguy saying that marriage is "a covenant between a man and a woman to which government certification is entirely superfluous?"
