Sanders opens 12-point lead nationally: poll

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dems have certainly come up with some dumb policies of late but don't see how this relates to "Socialism" - on the other hand I do see how it relates to Totalitarianism.

    Blue was on the forefront - in modern times - of utilitarian justification for law. This justification for law looks only at what will increase happiness/reduce harm over the collective. It completely ignores individual liberty - thus allowing an end run around the safeguards put in place by the founders to protect individual liberty.

    Red now loves it too and this scourge is at plague proportions - with few defending the safeguards.

    You will recognize these arguments out of the mouths of politicians and the mainstream media - For example - "If it saves one life" or "Harm Reduction" as justification for law.

    We need to drug test athletes for pot - because they role models for our children - and we don't want our children learning bad habits - or something along those lines.

    1) why is an athlete expected to parent your children ? Equal Justice be damned - also the rule of law principle - one person is not to be punished for the actions of another. How does the State get to selectively punish one group of people - while the rest of us are off the hook ? This does not even pass the giggle test

    2) rather than focus on the liberty of the individual athlete - it is to "reduce harm" within the collective.

    Getting technical now - Is "If it saves one life" valid justification for law ?

    If this is the case - should we not ban skiing tomorrow ? would that not save a life -reduce harm ? How about boating - that is really dangerous - one could drown. Driving a car ? forget it.

    In fact one should probably not rise from bed in the morning as one might fall and break neck -

    Utilitarianism - while it often sounds good on the surface which is what makes it so insidious - is terrible justification for law - and an anathema to the founding principles - respect for essential liberty.

    In a free society the individual has the right to risk a reasonable amount of harm to themselves - regardless of whether or not those who claim to speak for "the collective" approve of it or not.

    Speaking of the risk of harm from "walking/ getting up in the morning" - did you know that the risk of being harmed in a terrorist attack is 400 times less than the risk of harm from "walking" ?

    Interesting statistic - you have double the odds of being hit by a meteor :) Yet - over intense fear of this really small risk of harm - US citizens are on their knees - "Begging" to trade essential liberty for temporary security - in this case the illusion of security.

    It is now our "Patriotic Duty" to trade liberty for security - what happened to "give me liberty or death"? - those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither - Ben F.

    What happened ? we have fallen so far down the slippery slope we can't even see the mountain top.

    The safeguards were put in place not to protect us from Bin Laden - but to protect us from Gov' - as the Founders knew then as now - that the natural tendency of Gov't is to increase its power.

    So for 200 years Gov't has been trying to get its power back - and it has succeeded.
     
  2. Bluesguy

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    So what are the Democrats going to do about it?
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    So how are the Democrats going to get themselves out of this mess or will they simply become the Socialist Party of America?
     
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    Why didn't she just use real ones of Sanders praising communism and communist countries?
     
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    If he believes the DNC steals the nomination he just may and that insures a Trump victory.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They'll screw Bernie, lose millions of voters and spend the next decade trying to win them back. The alternative is so much worse...
     
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    And how is Trump a dictator? Specifics please. Name one thing Trump has done that has not been subject to a judicial override.
     
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    Bernie held a college campus campaign rally in Las Vegas today. The early-voting lines grew quite long right after the rally for the Nevada primaries at the University of Las Vega polling site.

    The old man may have a good strategy with approx. 30 million students enrolled at public and private colleges across the country. If he picks up 10 million of those, it's a nice dent in the total needed to win an election.

    UNLV early-voting on campus....

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  11. Doofenshmirtz

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    As much as I love going around circles with people who argue with themselves, you will just have to address what I actually said or be ignored.

    Government gets its power from our tax dollars, and while Trump is still abusing government power by stealing what we work hard for, he is still the lesser of thievils. (See what I did? I combined thief and evil!) Bernie Santa Claus is not hiding his intentions and will steal even more than Obama.

    If you are a believer in socialism, why can't you team up with like-minded people and pull resources for the greater good of all? What is stopping you?
     
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    You haven't kept up with latest developments concerning those former DOJ employees; turns out that 90% are registered Dems.
     
  13. The Mello Guy

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    According to the right that’s always what we’ve been.
     
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    So what are the Democrats going to do since they seem to be agreeing now?
     
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    We only suspected before. Once Bernie came out of the commie closet and millions and millions backed him, we knew...
     
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    Students lining up to early-vote today on UNLV campus after Bernie rally....

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    They're practicing for the Socialist bread lines.



    Government-dependent Venezuelans lined up for limited government food rations....

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    Guess it depends if he wins or not.
     
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    You guys over used socialism so much that you made Bernie immune. He’s not proposing anything not Already in place by the worlds top economies.
     
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    How many of those countries have to be right with the US Constitution? Socialism isn't compatible with our constitution...
     
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    Yup.

    But, for Liz's endorsement to really matter, she would need to drop out after Nevada so Bernie has the Progressive Lane to himself in SC and on S. Tuesday.

    Bernie/Liz would never fly.

    Bernie would need somebody like Amy to balance it out.

    That said, Sanders would be a G.E. Disaster and cost the Dems the House.
     
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    Warren would be a horrible choice. Bernie Bros have labeled her "Snake" for lying and being disingenuous...a "fake" Socialist. Plus, he's got to have someone younger in case he croaks. I think he could talk his crowd into liking Tulsi Gabbard, and he could use someone with better foreign relations positions than his non-existent ones.
     
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    He has taken numerous steps, like firing Sondland and Vindman simply because they provided testimony he did not like or asking his DOJ to intervene in the sentencing of his associate or pardoning a fellow corrupt politician, all of which are not subject to a judicial override. He also argued before the federal courts that his refusal to abide by a congressional subpoena is not subject to a judicial override.

    But like the poster who asked me to document trump cancelling an election, trump taking a step where he is "not subject to a judicial override" is a bit like the final step of a dictatorship. I would prefer he stop before getting to that point.
     
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    The more I think of it, the less I would dismiss Gabbard out of hand. But she is not popular within the Democratic base and where she does branch out, it is basically only along the same line as Bernie (i.e. the annoy the traditional party structure side). Plus, her primary policy issue of non-intervention globally (arguably to the point of supporting dictators) is just unlikely to win new voters.

    I think someone like Stacey Abrams is a better compliment. More popular, represents a female and minority base for the party, and champions an issue like voting rights that almost by definition creates new voters.
     
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    The two people you mention being fired was not a violation of Constitutional authority. And Vindman was not fired. He was reassigned. Do you know anyone in the Army who has a permanent assignment?

    Tweeting comments about DOJ is hardly the act of a dictator and dictators don't argue their actions before a court.
     
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    Abrams won't draw enough moderates to win the general. Gabbard's non-interventionist stance might actually draw more voters than you think. Anyway, it's not necessarily a good thing for the VP to be popular as much as "acceptable". Hillary put the "Russian asset" hex on Tulsi. Bernie could easily smooth that over with his base. Tulsi was tapped to be a rising star with the DNC until they cheated Bernie. She quit the fast-track to DNC success to campaign for him in 2016. Bernie's people would appreciate that.
     

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