santorum vows to serve israel

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  1. thediplomat2.0

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    These partnerships must be revamped as well. To understand the mentalities of Arab/Middle Eastern nations, you must learn from history, and understand the religion of Islam.
     
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    Exactly and nobody with anything going on upstairs would believe Iran would attack Israel with a nuke.

    Disarm Israel or leave Iran the hell alone.
     
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    What do you mean disarm Israel? The United States doesn't have this power over Israel or Iran.
     
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    im "scottish-american" scottland is off my radar... i dont care about scottland.. i care about MW3, my bmw, my job, my wife, my kids... SCOTTLAND is a non issue to me....

    i just wish i knew the obsession jews have with israel.
     
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    The area of modern day Israel is where our ancestors, namely Abraham, migrated to from Mesopotamia. It is the original homeland of my religion, and my culture. Jews take pride in that.

    You obviously have a different perspective on your ethnicity, your culture, and your religion.
     
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    oh rational discussion is impossible when it involves religion..
    their is nothing holy about Jerusalem or anywhere else.. prey to a giant square from space... or wear a little cap and curl your sideburns... its all the same..

    so in the name of your god you are promised that land... and the dirty muslims wont give it back?..lol
     
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    Religiously, yes. Historically, we fought for that land, eventually living in coexistence with those that remained. We were able to lay claim to it long before Muslims settled that area.
     
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    does it REALLY matter to you? i mean....really? my son is half jewish... how old should he be when i tell him how he is so victomised for being jewish.. should i train him that muslims and racisists hate him? should "anti-semite" be his first word?
     
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    Erm... We?
     
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    Nice generalizations. If you think all Jewish families brainwash their children to think all Muslims are racist, and that anyone who criticizes the Jewish community is an anti-semite, you are profoundly ignorant. If this was the case, I would not have a handful of friends that are Muslim, all of which I respect.

    Furthermore, my religion, my culture, and my heritage matters. It makes you who you are, along with what you make of yourself. You may not recognize it, but it is a part of you.
     
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    Yes. Hebrews laid claim to the land of Canaan long before Muslims arrive.
     
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    you make you who you are......not some silly beliefs
     
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    A matter of perspective. You obviously live by the above mantra. I live by the above mantra, my religion, my culture, and my heritage. Will I force my culture, religion, or heritage upon you? Absolutely not.
     
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    I have to admit that I chuckled at this.

    Well, how about the Canaanites, then? Perhaps their descendents ought to eject the Jews and reclaim their rightful land? No doubt Phoenician progeny have been opining the loss of their "homeland" for millenia.


    So, you're not really an American, then? You are, as you say, "Hebrew?"
     
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    u noticed the same things i did..

    1) he claims hes a hebrew
    2) canaanites were there before the hebrews

    we are refering to a person who claims his history and religion define him. doesnt sound very american.
     
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    Possibly, but I doubt that there is a significant Canaanian or Phoenician citizenry in the Middle East to engage in claims for land.

    I am a descendant of the original Hebrew people from a religious perspective. From a cultural perspective, I am of Russian, Romanian, Polish, and Scottish descent. However, I am a natural-born American. I uphold the same principles as you. I believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I believe in the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.
     
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    you are a direct bloodline to the "original hebrews" wow.. i think you are one of the last ones.
     
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    Well at least you're intellectually honest enough to admit that Canaanites, in the unlikely event that they should ever form a substantive movement, would take precedence over the Jews in that area.

    Although the question begs to be asked: are not Palestinians, in fact, the true original inhabitants of Israel? At what point did they become illegitimate occupies, as Zionists argue they are? Perhaps when they themselves converted from Judaism to Islam? Despite having lived there for thousands of years, while Jews were in Europe mixing with Christian Caucasians, they oughtn't take precedence over artificially reintroduced Hebrew half-breeds?
     
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    From a religious perspective, I consider myself to be Hebrew. The phrase is an alternative description of a Jew.
     
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    why anyone would wanna die for some silly gods is beyond me.. let alone die for some dry ass strip of land... palistinas should move to america...and let the jews have that stupid land so they can walk around israel and curl their sidburns, carry out their silly day to day rituals till the day they die.. then realize they were wrong..

    let them stay their in israel waiting for armagedon.
     
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    Then do you question the actions of those that fought in the Crusades, and Muslim suicide bombers as much as you question the believers in Judaism?
     
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    Of course. It's not just the Jewish religion I turn my nose up at! :)
     
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    I'm sure there are plenty of Israelis that are suicidal, and plenty of Muslims that are not suicidal.
     
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    all gods are fake... all religions are based on nonsense... the highpriests of every religion knows it...

    man is not supposed to kill man...period.. just look at what israel is doing to the palistinians in the name of god...... absolutely disgusting.
     
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    Look, I am the first one to criticize the killing of another. However, the religious and secular tension between Islam/Palestine and Judaism/Israel has been going on for years, the religious tension spanning back thousands of years. Both sides engage in this fiasco. The conflict is so embedded in the region, that it will likely never end, even if an agreement between Palestine and Israel occurs.

    However, can I ask you, do you feel Ron Paul can end this conflict between the above religions and governments, or that he should ignore it altogether?
     

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