Say Goodby to Net Neutrality

Trump strikes again'

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Your internet will look a lot like your crappy cable pretty soon...and cost as much

 

From 1969 until 2015, a period of nearly half a century, there was no net neutrality, and none of the scare campaign rhetoric came to pass.

What exactly happened between 2015 and now which would change this?

Any company planning to throttle content would be resoundingly destroyed as their customers flock to alternatives. I would never purchase internet service from such a provider. If you have a lack of alternatives then there is a massive business opportunity for you to exploit.

 

First off, let's eliminate the notion that the "internet" as it currently exists is even remotely comparable to the entire time period of the 1969-2015. The rise of content providers like Netflix and Hulu and twitch has only occurred in the last few years...maaaybe 10 years.

Consumers do not and will not have a choice to destroy those companies for two reasons. One, the ISPs have geographical monopolies - for example, I live in one of the largest metropolitan areas in the Southeast and I have a total of two options - and thus, there is no alternative choice for consumers to take their money. Second, the average consumer will not know to blame the ISP in the first place. Consider the scenario where the ESPN website loads quickly, but Etsy does not. The first thought of most consumers would be, "Etsy is ****ing up," and not, "Oh, my ISP must be throttling that particular website."

As to that massive business opportunity, those ISPs with their geographical monopolies would crush any new business before it gets even remotely close to a break even point.

 

Okay then, so for those 8 years what exactly were the ISPs doing? Twiddling their thumbs? The notion that the internet was "not even remotely comparable" 2 short years ago is completely daft. I'm surprised you didn't feel silly saying it.

And yet they know about net neutrality? Why don't you direct your efforts more effectively at educating the populace then?

Break up the Telecom companies if you have to.

Why exactly? That has not been my experience, I have far more ISPs now than I did 5 years ago. I just changed companies because my previous one got too expensive and started handing over data to the government.

Sites like Netflix might get throttled. If I don't use Netflix perhaps I want to have faster speeds on the rest of my internet. Who are you to tell me I cannot?

My contention has never been that throttling wouldn't happen, just that the scare tactic propaganda is a misrepresentation of what might occur. If you can't argue honestly then maybe you should reconsider your position.

 

Between 1969 and 2015? What are you talking about?

In 1992, the only internet available to most people was dial up. That was the year the Netscape browser appeared. Back then the Internet was AOL and Prodigy.

The cable monopolies that became the ISP monopolies were already firmly in place.

What changed was that the Obama adminstration finally adopted regulations to curb the growing thread of abusive practices by the carriers toward the content providers.

 

By abusive practices you clearly mean using their property how they see fit. If you have objections based on competition you need to break the Telecom companies up, not implement NN.

In the absence of such a policy the only conclusion I'm left with is that you are intolerant of consumer choice for political reasons.

 

How many ISP choices do you have, really? Name them for us.

Most of us only have ONE choice. I have two. I can get cable from Comcast via their monopoly, or I can settle for slower and less reliable DSL from Verizon. Not much choice there.

And my experience is typical.

 

Break the companies up then. I am merely trying to ensure that where non-Netflix users want to obtain a faster ISP which throttles streaming, they're able to.

 

LOL!!! There were no traffic lights in 1750 and no one had car accidents!

 

We broke up the telecoms in 1983, something you conveniently forgot to mention.

What we got was a technological revolution, cell phones, and the internet as a global network.

But over time the the telecoms reasserted their control.

The Trump Adminstration has no interest whatsoever in breaking up monopolies. So don't expect the Justice Department to do anything in that regard, and I don't know if Trump has even nominated someone to run the FTC.

The Roberts Court hasn't met a monopoly it doesn't love yet.

So, regulations that define isps as a common carrier are our only protection.

It took 75 years for the government to realize that they would have to do that to keep railroads in line.

Since the US is already behind much of the developed world in internet service because of these monopolies, lets hope someone wises up and we don't give the keys to Comcast the way Trump wants to.

 

Break them up again then.

 

I get the feeling Don wakes up each day and says to himself, "how badly can I screw things up for the country today?" He does things like lift the ban on lead bullets meant to protect animals from leading poisoning. Then there was the elephant trophy thing. He's appointed leaders of agencies with a mandate of protecting Americans that are doing everything possible to destroy those agencies. The man is a human wrecking ball.

 

They were starting to throttle certain types of internet traffic or threaten to charge content providers with extra fees in order to stop throttling the internet. Hence, the need for the regulations.

And I was referencing the entire 50 year time frame that YOU cited when I said "not even remotely comparable." Don't be daft.

That IS what I am doing. I am trying to educate them to prevent NN from being repealed.

So wait...you don't want government interference in the form of NN, but you want government interference in the form of breaking up Telecom companies? Explain that logic to me.

Where do you live? Do you think that your experience is common to the rest of the people in your state, let alone the rest of the country?

So, let me get this straight. It is propaganda to claim that Netflix will get throttled, but it is OK to claim that the "rest of the internet" will get faster as a result?

 

Bumping for exposure.

 

Do Trump supporters realize that Trump is screwing everyone in exactly the same ways that the establishment GOP was?

They turned away from the GOP establishment and ended up right back where they started

 

They don't understand, they don't care. Trump can do no wrong.

 

If you want that to happen, I suggest you vote Democratic.

 

No, he's not proactive. He's just incompetent and venal.

 

Why do you reject NN because it is "government overreach," but support breaking up the telecom companies?

 

Net neutrality is one of those catch phrases like clean air initiative. Who's against clean air? Whos against net neutrality? The truth is all of these "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" programs are nothing more than government taking control of private enterprises. Net "neutrality" will quickly turn into government deciding who gets what depending on the politics of whichever party is in control and the Democrats in particular are well known for this kind of abuse of power. Sorry but I'll take my chances with private enterprise over big brother any day.

 

I reviewed the pros and cons net neutrality.

I'm not willing to live with the cons they're too heavy so I oppose net neutrality.

 

Trump is sociopath that attracts kindred spirits. The entire GOP has become the party of sociopaths and they sealed the deal when they accepted the Tea Party crazies as legit.

 

His own Voters will get Screwed ... and that’s just fine with me.

 

It's NOT fine with me. It's not "us against them" as much as the radicals like to make it out to be.

We ALL get hurt by things like this and the tax cuts for the rich

 

Yea...because big business has our interests at heart right?

Do you REMEMBER 2008?