Scant Evidence That Clinton Had Malicious Intent

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  1. akphidelt2007

    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    Lol, she did not have clearance to view classified information taken illegally. Which is why they took away her rights to view classified information.
     
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    She had a server and she put it to use. It's logical. These emails, which were retroactively marked classified, all have to do with the drone program. The drone program has been common knowledge since the Bush administration. The government is notorious for for marking everything classified. The same thing happened to Rice and Powell. They are not behind bars nor should they be.

    Clinton's server was secure. She broke no laws. This investigation was instigated for political reasons and, it's being dragged out for political reasons.
     
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    This is what we call an unsubstantiated theory. Now all you have to do is prove or it isn't true.
     
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    I'm sorry, but conspiracy theorists don't deal in facts or logic. With every post about this nonsense, you look more desperate and pathetic. Keep it up.
     
  5. akphidelt2007

    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    104 snippets out of 50k+ pages is not much. Those emails wouldn't even be allowed on her .gov email. She says they shouldn't be classified and she didn't think they were classified at the time. So obviously she's not that concerned about doing something wrong. You anti-government conspiracy theorists should be happy she wants to be more transparent and have these emails shown to the public.
     
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    Shouldn't Hillary be charges for removal and storage classified material illegally on an unsecure server in her basement?
     
  7. akphidelt2007

    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    She didn't remove anything. And she didn't believe anything she received via email was classified. So no, I don't think she will or should face charges. Unless the classified information was so egregious that any reasonable person would know that information should not be on a private server. But that doesn't appear to be the case. She'll be fine and you guys will be crying conspiracy for the next 8 years while she is President.
     
  8. Professor Peabody

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    So Hillary doesn't know the difference between classified information and what isn't classified? Why was she Secretary of State? Why is she running for President?

    It clearly states classified is marked or unmarked.
     
  9. akphidelt2007

    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    Classification is clearly a subjective subject as many members of the state department have said. So yes, she probably didn't think the information she was sending was classified. She is so sure it isn't that she wants them to release those emails to the public. You should be on her side, you guys hate the government and want them to be more transparent. She wants to be more transparent. Apparently you guys aren't true to your word.
     
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    Let's assume for a moment that all those emails were retroactively marked classified, and that she did not pass on classified information, per se, when she sent emails -- then how do you explain this? Link: http://nypost.com/2016/03/07/hillary-clinton-wrote-104-classified-emails-herself/

    Do you really not see that at the very bottom-scraping least, she, herself, created 104 of them. Moreover, YOU do not know what was discussed in those emails. You say it was drones. Others say that the specific names and identities of agents working for the United States were in some of her emails -- and that their lives were put at high risk because of her reckless negligence.

    Lastly, you say, "Clinton's server was secure"? You KNOW that? You KNOW that her private server was properly installed in a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF)? If so, you should definitely call the FBI on Monday and tell them all you know, because they've offered immunity from prosecution to the guy who did install her server in an effort to find out. Now, why do you suppose that they would do that if it was OBVIOUS that the server was properly installed in a SCIF in her mansion...?!

    But don't worry! Obama has already put in "the fix". He did it on March 11th, and I've already posted this about a dozen times. There won't be an indictment, and she'll never see the inside of a courtroom: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/18/us/politics/obama-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html?_r=0 . And, of course, everybody in this drama works for -- Obama! And, "fish stinks from the head down".

    Oh, It's rotten and corrupt as hell, but nearly everything else your wonderous Führer Obama has done for the past 7 1/2 years has also been riddled with rotten lies, corruption, manipulation, and his own willingness to break laws himself! . :cynic: -- "Back off! Any more of that and you're going to get a race-card thrown at you!"
     
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    I asked you, point blank, "Got anything to say about the thread topic? Got any rebuttal to anything I said that is based in fact or logic?"

    Evidently, you don't. Thanks for the clarification.... :roll:
     
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    Of course she'll say release them to the public because she already knows they won't be because they're classified. There is no downside to her saying that except if she wants things released to the public then why did she have her own hidden email server to being with and why did Mrs Transparency delete 30,000 emails?
     
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    Yes she acted with GROSS NEGLIGENCE, what don't you seem to understand. Your statements about requiring intent to break the law are fallacious and so is this attempt to claim she did not act with gross negligence in the handling of classified information and the setting up the private shadow server and directing ALL her official communications be directed to it and that information being stored with in it and then her turning over copies to unauthorized individuals like the server company and her lawyer.


    It's called a perfect example

    Yes it's a hypothetical, that escaped you? But shows how little it takes to act with gross negligence.

    Here this might help understand the laws involved.

    The real reason the FBI interviewed Hillary's closest aide

    Fox News has confirmed that the FBI has interviewed Huma Abedin, top aide to Hillary Clinton, as part of its investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email and whether classified information was willfully transmitted on her unsecured network. The FBI may also have interviewed other current and former Clinton staffers. This suggests the case may be approaching a conclusion. Clinton, herself, could be interviewed very soon.

    Abedin is a valued source of information because she apparently used an email on Clinton’s private system. She may have voiced concerns about whether the server was violating the law or, equally important, discussed how the law could be circumvented.

    She and other staffers were surely questioned about the 2,200 classified communications contained on the server, including the 22 documents that were “top secret”. How did they end up on the unauthorized system? Did the aides have clearance to read them? Didn’t they know they were classified? Were classified markings erased? Who decided to delete thousands of emails which were government property? Who ordered the server to be “wiped clean”? Depending on the answers to these crucial questions, the aides could find themselves in legal jeopardy. So could Hillary Clinton.

    Clinton’s Intent Is Irrelevant
    Unnamed sources close to the investigation are reported to have said that the FBI has found no evidence to prove Clinton intended to violate the law. That sounds important, but it is not. The operative legal issue is not whether she intended to break the law, but whether she knowingly and intentionally stored classified information on her unauthorized server. Here is the specific law:

    “Whoever… knowingly removes (classified) documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.” (18 U.S.C., section 1924)

    The statute says nothing about an intent to violate the law. It is an important distinction. Clearly, Clinton intended to create a private server for use as her exclusive means of conducting official business as Secretary of State. She also knew it was not authorized because she never sought authorization from the relevant agencies. At the same time, she knew her unauthorized server would collect, retain and transmit classified documents during her four year term and intended it to do so.

    This would appear to violate the language of the statute. She can hardly claim she did not recognize classified material… because that would be arguing her own incompetence.

    Ignorance of the Law
    Is it possible for Clinton to argue that she did not know she was breaking the law? She can try, but in a court of law it is no defense. Ignorance of the law is never an excuse. Otherwise, everyone accused of a crime would play dumb. “Gee, I didn’t know my actions were a crime!”

    Moreover, Clinton knew the law because she was specifically instructed on the law when she took office. She received a “national security indoctrination” –a tutorial on the law of classified materials. Thereafter, she signed a sworn “non-disclosure agreement” promising never to convey classified material to an unauthorized person or place.

    In that same agreement, Clinton was also warned that classified material can be either marked or unmarked. The content dictates its classification, not the markings. So, her previous claims that nothing was marked classified is not a defense. This is especially true since Clinton reportedly authored 104 of the classified emails herself. Surely, she knew what she was writing.

    Gross Negligence
    President Obama recently called Clinton’s handling of the classified emails “careless”, but not intentional, as if that makes it okay. However, carelessness is sufficient to be convicted of a crime. The following statute specifically addresses this issue:

    “Whoever… through gross negligence permits (classified information) to be removed from its proper place of custody… shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.” (18 U.S.C., section 793-f)

    In plain language, gross negligence is the standard, not intent. Carelessness or recklessness are synonymous with gross negligence. Thus, by implying that Clinton did nothing illegal because she was merely “careless”, President Obama is either legally mistaken or deliberately communicating a falsehood.

    If the president, a trained lawyer, thought he was exculpating Clinton… he was, in truth, implicating her in a violation of the law.

    Gregg Jarrett is a Fox News Anchor and former defense attorney.
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016...son-fbi-interviewed-hillarys-closet-aide.html
     
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    No it is not there are VERY specific types on information that are classified at birth. You mere utterance of them can violate the law. Such information as in the 22 emails found on her server containing TOP SECRET information that as stored on an unsecured server and transmitted over unauthorized transmissions. And she was TRAINED in what that information entails and signed forms stating she would guard and protect it and not expose it to unauthorized sources or store it improperly.

    The fact is your attempted defense of her is no better because you are claiming she is too incompetent to become the President and in charge of ALL national security.

    And if she wants to be more transparent why did she try to hide them and why is it taking court orders to get them released?
     
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    She hired someone to set up her server which included security. All of her emails have been released to the press. They have reported that the email reference the drone program.

    Gee, I don't know why President Obama would need to put a "fix" in. There is absolutely no evidence of a crime. And maybe when none of the predictions about indictments come to pass, you will realize that you need another source for news.
     
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    It wasn't hidden. 90% of her emails were between .gov addresses where they were recorded in government records. Everyone in the state department knew her email address. You guys are just desperate and going to fail like always. Also, everyone in the state department was allowed to delete whatever emails they felt were personal. She did nothing wrong there.
     
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    Smoke and mirrors. They should give 'em back to her if she wants to make them public......go ahead. If they are indeed classified she'll end up with Manning. Guaranteed she won't release them either.

    Hillary's server was NOT a proper place of custody, and it was delivered to a Colorado IT company with NO security clearances for the classified information it contained, who backed it up over the internet to a Connecticut IT company also with NO security clearances for the classified information it contained. Those are the facts.
     
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    Her server was not meant for classified information, so all that makes sense. It comes down to what classified information it was and if that classified information actually put our country at risk. The fact she is willing to release those to the public and thinks they are not classified is pretty telling. You're going to be disappointed again when all your "scandal" predictions fail. Hillary will be fine and will be the next POTUS. Sorry to burst your tin foil bubble.
     
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    She actually WROTE and SENT 104 Classified eMails from her server. We'll have to wait and see, but if her internal polling shows Trump ahead, expect an indictment to clear the way for Biden at the DNC convention. They didn't bring Guccifer here for just 18 months for no reason.

    Clinton, on her private server, wrote 104 emails the government says are classified
     
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    104 classified "snippets" out of over 50k pages. .2%, lol. You'll be wrong again. I'd make a bigger insult to you but it's not worth it. You guys are so disconnected from the real world it's not even funny anymore.
     
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    The law has been violated. All Patraeus did was bring a 3 ring binder home so so Broadwell could see it. They went after him even though Broadwell had clearence. Hillary turned over her server to a Colorado IT company with NO security clearances for the classified information it contained, who backed it up over the internet to a Connecticut IT company also with NO security clearances for the classified information it contained. The above is real life the disconnect is purely yours. Biden will be the candidate.
     
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    Her email server was not meant for classified information. She did not think she was sending classified information and to this day does not think the information should be classified. Patreaus knowingly took classified information and shared it with his mistress who was writing a book. Hillary will be fine, you guys are always wrong. It's amazing how disconnected you are from the real world.
     
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    So Hillary doesn't know the difference between classified information and what isn't classified? Why was she Secretary of State? Why is she running for President?
     
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    Which places her about 100 points up on the arsewipe that will become President if she doesn't.

    I cannot believe the Republicans putting up this slate of really mean ass unlikable jerktards, all of who have been promising to deport, arrest, kill and, at the very least, cut off most of the American populace if, god forbid, any of them were ever to be elected. At this point I don't really care if Hillary was downloading her daily briefings directly to Valerie Putin, I'm voting for her just to keep Trump out
     
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    'Malicious' intent. But' I know you guys aren't the most honest people out there or possibly just don't understand English.
     
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